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by GrigoriyMikh 1216 days ago
What was "good change for Russia"?

Provisional government had a lot of decisions or rather "undecisions", for example regarding land policy. For which there was a huge support from peasantry. Then it's questionable position on war.

Provisional government was what it is -- provisional. There were a lot of disagreements between majority of people and old elites. At the end, old elites lost.

And what " murderous genocidal shit" are you talking about? I will not argue about excesses in repressions, as they clearly existed. But can we call them genocidal? Then, if you talk about Holodomor -- it's very controversial topic, surrounded by Western propaganda. You can easily find and read Stalin letters to Kaganovich, where you see that they actually tried to solve the problem of supplies but due to poor government organization failed to do so. So in no way it was "murderous genocidal shit", but just a system failure which lead to catastrophe.

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You perhaps would like to investigate the Red terror and Stalin mass repressions, especially against the nations that were attacked and occupied and then forcefully incorporated into Soviet Union.

Holodomor is a different case that stands out on its own as a clear case of targeted starvation. It was created by planned over collection of grain where no compromise was allowed despite clear signs of very dangerous situation.

I really don't know to what Putinist Stalin white washing propaganda you are referring to, but events of the genocide are very well documented. You can study this summary for example https://www.sciencespo.fr/mass-violence-war-massacre-resista...

There was no failure. It was a planned way to crush Ukrainians.

Regarding Holodomor -- i'm still not convinced 100% that it was targeted starvation. Again, referring you to Stalin's letters:

https://education.holodomor.ca/teaching-materials/primary-do...

Thank you, but this is actually discussed in the summary that I provided and they come to very different conclusion. The main issue for Stalin was resistance of Ukrainians - they refused to starve to death.
The goal of the provisional government was to lead Russia to become a democratic and free country, not a dictatorship of genocidal madmen. The end goal of it was a fully legitimate government and this was destroyed by bolsheviks who took over the control and murdered everybody who opposed them and was not able to escape.
When you talking about "destroyed by bolsheviks" -- it was tens of thousands of people who participated in revolution directly. There obviously were reasons why so much people decided to go to such measures to overthrow the government.

Specifically, because provisional government couldn't get to a peaceful consensus that would satisfied both sides. Old elites didn't want to give they privileges away. So people took it. Good lesson to modern elites.

Bolsheviks were great manipulators of people.They promised what people wanted to ear, something they never planned to keep, their actual goals were very different. When they solidified their power, they eliminated the other political actors who helped them. They deceived people to participate.

But you are right, in the end the opposition to Bolsheviks failed because the only serious opposition to them was tsarist who could not provide any new ideas. Bolsheviks killed (and very literally) any change of real opposition to them. When people realized the actual situation then it was already too late.