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by mdmglr 1213 days ago
> For most of my life I had assumed that all the people that had lived before our modern times were dumb. Really dumb. Borderline braindead.

What education institution is responsible for this?

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Not teaching history of mathematics, science. Teaching STEM with total disconnect to the historical developments of these disciplines. Perfect theories out of the blue. (Not teaching the dead ends: phlogiston, ether etc)
I believe we are slowly but surely getting out of this. Positivism as a strict adherence to the dogma of "the scientific fact" (with a conveniently moving definition, backed-up by Sagan quotes for TV viewers, or Popper for book readers) is as nefarious as any totalitarian idea.

Yes scientific papers are great, no I don't put too much weight on someone's take on hapiness, truth, or the fundamental nature of our universe just because they're wearing a lab coat, that would quite literally be thinking that the cowl makes the monk.

>Yes scientific papers are great, no I don't put too much weight on someone's take on hapiness, truth, or the fundamental nature of our universe just because they're wearing a lab coat, that would quite literally be thinking that the cowl makes the monk

Sounds a bit like a straw man to me. "Scientific fact" by definition is subject to change. The "scientific facts" we have right now are the best explanation for reality that we have. Nobody who isn't a researcher in a particular field has the required context to judge whether some fringe theories have the potential to displace the current consensus, so it's prudent to just accept the consensus as a layperson.

"Trust the science." is about as unscientific as someone could get; might as well be just another religion.
Apparently acknowledging that one is unqualified to judge the veracity of almost all scientific claims is now unscientific. TIL.
Blindly trusting someone because they're "experts" is no different from worship.

Healthy skepticism is the root of all things science, if you forfeit that for any reason you are anything but being scientific.

I'm sorry, but I just do NOT believe your implied claim, that you have personally verified all the scientific facts you believe in.
There is no consensus on truth, happiness, or the reality of the universe we live in though, so nothing to accept there "as a layperson".
Society at large.

When you paint faithful people as morons, primitive people as stupid, old fashioned people as out of touch, etc., kids and even younger adults are going to come to the logical conclusion.

We aren't even getting into the recent nonsense of declaring our histories as shameful pieces of shit to be revised and forgotten.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Isn't there an analogy with software projects there? I regularly hear that some code needs to be replaced because it's "old" or "written by X, who is no longer here".

The underlying assumption seems to be that people in the past were stupid and incapable of writing the great code that we today are capable of writing.

I mean obviously old code can be written badly (just as modern code can be written badly). And sometimes there are newer techniques or libraries which weren't available at the time the original code was written. But more than a few times I've seen old code rewritten by modern code where the modern code is worse than the old code, and the justification is nothing more than the code was "old". Or the way desktop UIs change and evolve and throw away old paradigms - but the people who developed Windows 95 weren't fools just because they lived in the past. (e.g. all icons are monochromatic now whereas it was a design guideline in the past to use colours to aid memory of which icon was which.)

I found it funny. It’s a tongue in cheek opener and imho, you guys take it way too literal. I can relate to the feeling that people in the past (at least the vast majority) were kinda stupid, because they were uneducated in many things. Of course, stupidity and education are different things.

People in 500 years will probably say the same about us. "Look at these morons from the year 2023. Most of them were dumb and wasted their lives."

That line got to me too. So apparently, according to the new world order, calculus was invented just last Thursday :eyeroll:
whig history
That's the key question here. I've personally not been exposed to such a sense of superiority over people of the past. I grew up in Germany, and I remember history class showing lots of examples of ingenuity and at worst mistakes that ought not to be repeated now that we supposedly know better (arguing we have more knowledge now, not intelligence). Is this maybe a local thing related to where the author grew up?
Author is actually German lol.
From some quick research, it at least says that he's based in Denmark - but I couldn't figure out where he actually grew up.

That said, from what I know, education in Denmark and Germany is sufficiently similar for my hypothesis to not really hold. Another interesting data point is that he is in marketing (advises people on how to cold email potential customers from what I've read) - maybe that's a more meaningful cohort. Not education per se, more socialisation in the work life.

But I suppose correlation does not imply causation anyway.