[llamaLord]

I'm going by my personal experience as a PM. To be fair, whenever I talk on a PM panel I tend to be the odd one out.

For example, I tend to be the guy on the panel all the other PM's hate because I taught myself to code so that I could have deeper empathy for how my engineering teams work and now I advocate for all PM's needing to be at least moderately technical.

Rocking the boat certainly doesn't make you popular haha

[robertlagrant]

Yes - totally agree. It's a tricky job, and there are real product people, of course, but I think there has been a bit of a migration away from the slightly unfashionable "project manager" into roles such as this one, flooding it.

Also, Product has in some places gone from a valued member of the team to a ruling class, with all the faux problems that generates.

It's a funny one!