[johnklos]

I wrote what I wrote in an unclear way:

"you're not correct about Spamhaus and being forced to use Google / Apple"

What I meant is that you weren't necessarily correct about Spamhaus, nor correct about being forced to use Google / Apple (which I thought was a reference to the fact that 98% of the world use Google's browsers and Gmail and/or Apple's Safari and/or Mail).

I see now you were referring to using a mainstream browser to communicate with Spamhaus. Yes, that's uncool. And yes, I wholly agree that the email address to request unblocking should not be filtered like it is.

Sometimes we worry so much about the symptom that we forget about the problem. Perhaps it'd be worthwhile to just ask someone else to forward an email requesting removal to Spamhaus' removal address.

[sylware]

Come on, you know that the whole point is to be independent from gatekeepers, and walking towards real digital freedom.

Spamhaus is doing a really bad job. They just need to grow up and improve.

[johnklos]

Of course, but giving up and just accepting the fact that you're on their blocklists does more harm to you in the long run, in my opinion, than just asking someone to forward an email. If that's what you want, then of course that's entirely up to you, but considering the complete lack of action network admins take when you report abuse and illegal activity, you can hardly blame people for taking the easy way out and just blocking all the low hanging fruit.