[mardifoufs]

Proxmox with native docker support would've been a dream. I know, it's easy to add it on top (since it's basically a layer over debian), but you still wouldn't get the native GUI support and the proxmox features that come with it. I don't know why they are so keen on not adding docker, and only focusing on LXC. LXC is fine, but it's pretty clear that it is far from being as popular or commonly used as Docker.

[mikepurvis]

VMware has a thing that's basically this also: https://vmware.github.io/vic-product/

But I've never quite understood the appeal. Is it about running untrusted containers with VM-level isolation? Or having a familiar GUI for managing and lifecycling them? Something else?

Fundamentally, I worry that mixing VMs and containers is more likely to end up with the worst of both worlds rather than the best— basically you get the slow bootup of starting the kernel every time, but none of the application-level benefits of sharing base layer storage or mounting the same shared volume to multiple containers at once.

[mardifoufs]

Ah the GUI/container integration is more for homelabs/internal networks type of usage, and I agree that it makes little sense in production. Otherwise you are also right that containers should be managed in a very different way from VMs. Especially when the page you linked boasts about offering a similar experience to deploying VMs for sys admins, which might lead to unoptimal usage for both VMs and containers. (But it at least seems to offer docker container support, not the barely used LXCs. So at least it can be useful)

[pxc]

> the page you linked boasts about offering a similar experience to deploying VMs for sys admins, which might lead to unoptimal usage for both VMs and containers. (But it at least seems to offer docker container support, not the barely used LXCs. So at least it can be useful)

Relatively long-lived, potentially multi-process server things is what LXC is for. It makes more sense to run LXC than Docker in that situation anyway. -_-

[Fnoord]

With Proxmox since it allows you to run a VM you can run any OS with say a recent Docker version. On that OS, you can run a web GUI for Docker, using Docker. For example, Portainer. Nginx reverse proxy and done.

Although personally, I prefer Podman over Docker.

[locustous]

You can run a docker container inside an lxc container. Which would give you the GUI controls over the near docker equivalent.