[astrange]

Now it's probably because people don't like "traffic" outside their homes, but basically yes, that's why single-family zoning is still in place. It's extremely silly to want to ban eg corner stores in your neighborhood.

In SF where people have discovered "left-NIMBYism", people will now argue that keeping it is fighting racism, but then if you go into the suburbs they'll still happily argue the original position.

[gameman144]

The idea that the reason something was made defines its current reason for existing seems demonstrably wrong, though.

Consider the microwave magnetron: invented to mess with radar, but now in every kitchen.

Maybe the reasons haven't changed in thisinstance, but holding that as a rule seems pretty incorrect.

[astrange]

Luckily we don't have to argue about abstractions since we can just go look at land use.

I do think a lot of people want to keep single family zoning because they think it makes their properties more valuable but 1. historical segregation is part of that and 2. if your home price goes up, that only makes you richer as long as you don't want to buy any other homes that've also gone up.

[chung8123]

People want single family zoning because they enjoy it more. People wanting single family housing is what makes it valuable not the single family housing itself.

[fragmede]

But also people want single family housing because US made apartments are complete shit. They're poorly insulated to heat and sound which means all sorts of unnecessary interaction with your immediate neighbors, making apartment living that much worse, driving the demand of single family housing up.

[astrange]

If people wanted single family housing that bad they wouldn't have to mandate it via zoning.

Sounds like they should change the building code instead.

[gameman144]

People want single family homes in neighborhoods of single family homes, though; the value is highly contingent on the neighborhood those homes are in.

You might be fine with a given backyard in a suburb, but not with a highrise next door that can see right into it.

Zoning handles this in the same way that it handles preferences about people not wanting to live next to industrial shops or giant supercenters. It does this by restricting what can be developed, even if someone moving away doesn't care what happens to their old lot, and could make more money on the sale otherwise.

Whether we should respect those preferences is a fine question, but zoning is pretty much the only tool to enforce these kinds of commons-oriented preferences.

[lotsoweiners]

Yeah exactly. While I obviously care about my property value, my interest is in living amongst other property owning families.

[amanaplanacanal]

Does zoning do that though? A single family home could be occupied by a renter or a homeowner, the same as a condo.

[danaris]

Things can be used for other reasons than the reason they were invented.

It's important to pay attention to the reasons things were invented, especially things that allow different kinds of social control.

Both of these things can be true at the same time.