[justapassenger]

Unaudited (internal Tesla data), cherry-picked (comparing with average cars in USA, which are 12 years old beaters, to their very young fleet of expensive cars) data, that doesn't correct for any bias (highway driving vs non-highway driving being one of the many issues) is not exactly the magic bullet you think it is.

Also, none of that is self driving. This data talks about AP, not FSD. FSD is also not self driving by any means (it's level 2 driver assist), but that's a detail at this point.

[JoshCole]

I didn't say it was a magic bullet. So you are hallucinating thoughts about me, not responding to what I said. Being critical of the data like you are being is good thinking in my opinion. I just don't like how often people don't have beliefs that are anywhere close to the data.

For example, elsewhere in this comment thread, someone threw out a random statistic of 400:1 as part of their argument, but this seems to me to be something like six orders of magnitude diverged from a data informed estimate.

To try and contextualize how big an error that is - it is like thinking that a house in the Bay Area has the same cost as a soft drink.

I think if we have to cite our data we are less likely to do that sort of error and more likely to catch it when it is done.

I definitely don't think FSD is magically safe. So if you think that is what I'm trying to say, please update your beliefs according to my correction that I do not believe this. I think anyone driving in FSD should remain vigilant, because it can make worse decisions than a human would.