[burkaman]

Your tone is respectful but your questions don't really make any sense to me. The company and the government hold unions responsible, they are not all-powerful and often much less powerful than the company. No, it is not justifiable to deprive you of your rights, and fortunately unions can't do that.

[jvmfjvfjvf]

If they are not powerful, why can they shut down schools and the corporations they are a part of?

[kasey_junk]

They are powerful but not unaccountable. Every time a union strikes they use up some of their power, both with the general public and their members (who want to work!).

In the case of many public unions they are legislatively prevented from striking.

The idea that unions are the ones with significant leverage over their employers in this day and age is baffling. Just look at the railroad workers who got manhandled by a Democratic government!

[_hcuq]

You're trolling. But I'll humour you for a minute.

Because they are employees. if enough employees of any organisation stop working, the organisation shuts down.

And whether you like them or not, they provide a feedback loop. Otherwise bad organisations whither away as good workers leave and bad workers stay.

[jvmfjvfjvf]

There are plenty of non-union workers who would gladly replace them but the union wouldn't allow that. Why so?

[bena]

Because of the power imbalance.

If there are not enough jobs in the area and not enough capital to kickstart businesses, the people in that area are in a situation where something is better than nothing. So a corporation can come in, offer below subsistence wages and the people will feel as if they have no other option. It's not what the labor is technically worth because the value produced by the labor far exceeds the wage given to the laborer.

Individual laborers have no power to fix this. The employer can fire them and exploit the next desperate person. They can even cycle through back to the original person as they get more desperate.

Collectively, the laborers can do something. They can redress the balance between laborer and owner. But only as a collective. The minute the individuals are allowed to operate independently, the old system reasserts itself.

Stop carrying water for people who won't even allow you a drink for your efforts.

[mynameisvlad]

You really like sealioning don't you?

Practically every comment you've made on this site is a sealioned question.

For those that don't know what it is, here's a primer: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

I don't really see any good faith questioning in your comment history. At all.

[burkaman]

They aren't "a part of" schools and corporations, they are the schools and corporations. It is obvious why 90% of an organization can make a decision to shut it down. When unions are smaller and don't constitute such a large portion of an organization, as will be the case with Tesla, they are not able to shut it down.