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by mjfl 1218 days ago
wasn't 'Russia meddling' a planted story by US domestic intelligence, as has come to light in the Twitter files?
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Is this sarcasm, or is there a subset of people here who truly believe that the Twitter “files” prove the significant investigative effort, offensive actions by US Cyber Command against the IRA, direct acknowledgement of the activities by Yevgeny Prigozhin, additional investigation and confirmation by private security companies that all echoed the same, highly-believable conclusion were fabricated in a coordinated effort by US intelligence to deceive the people into believing that a nation that has been openly hostile against US cyberspace has… continued to do so, this time in a new way?

If this was indeed a sarcastic comment, I would consider dialing back the subtlety so you don’t inadvertently appear to lend credence to misinformation currently being spread among less scrupulous portions of the population.

Unfortunately there are plenty of people who believe this.
No, the previous comment brought up Trump, which is clearly alluding to "Russian collusion".

I'm fine with distaste for Trump and the realities of disinformation campaigns, but the focus of the Twitter files in this regard is clearly specific to the false Russia Trump connection propagated by Dem polticians and leftists.

There's enough there to remain suspicious. The Trump campaign hid their meetings with Russians (see Flynn's transition meetings). They lied about the purpose of the Trump tower meetings. They have claimed financial ties to Russian financial institutions in the past.

None of these things are "false connections propagated by Dem politicians and leftists". They have made these connections evident through their own admissions, and denials.

There is certainly a narrative that drives beyond what we have evidence for, but it's absurd to pretend these things were only propagated from political rivals trying to attack their rivals.

Keep your head in the sand all you like.

>There's enough there to remain suspicious.

Honestly, after years of the Democrats throwing everything they can at Trump, still nothing. Yet you persist.

Switch your focus to Biden perhaps, the current corrupt president that mishandled classified documents, has made a fortune off his political position.... see the similarities here? No? Of course not.

  > but the focus of the Twitter files in this regard is clearly specific to the false Russia Trump connection propagated by Dem polticians and leftists.
Which makes the comment I was replying to (which is the comment one level above mine, not two levels above mine) even more incorrect, as it claims that the Twitter files prove that Russian meddling did not occur, which is a claim orders of magnitude broader than the claim that Trump-Russian collusion did not occur.
The trump crime family is demonstrably highly connected to russian oligarchs and russia generally.
“Domestic intelligence”? You mean the FBI? US intelligence agencies by law do not operate within the US.

Did the Russians interfere in the US election? This is unquestionably true. The DNC did not leak their strategy docs by themselves.

Was Russian interference in the 2016 election decisive? Highly unlikely. Imo, it would be generous to say the effect was marginal at best.

In hindsight the whole thing was pretty stupid; and lines with the Russian government’s increasingly erratic and incompetent behavior. They could have achieved the same end with none of the blowback by just doing nothing.

> US intelligence agencies by law do not operate within the US

Ever heard of Edward Snowden? I mean that's just for starters https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/06/05/nsas-v...

> US intelligence agencies by law do not operate within the US.

The NSA (a US intelligence organization) has verifiably been conducting widespread surveillance of US citizens on US soil for decades.

“US intelligence agencies by law do not operate within the US.”

This is an extremely naive statement with no basis in history. At least you recognize that Russian election interference had little, if any impact on the 2016 election.

> US intelligence agencies by law do not operate within the US.

Just incredible. Thanks for giving me a hearty laugh. Make sure to refill your pitcher of kool-aid, I see you're running low!

> US intelligence agencies by law do not operate within the US.

An unbelievably naive statement.

Yes, but people that were duped prefer to keep that info from themselves