[GuB-42]

This, I think, is a perverse effect of feminism. Women wanted to be able to get a job, they ended up being forced to get a job, and men still have to work like they did before, so, who cares for the kids? It is an example of bringing equality by making everyone miserable, and it is not even equal: women still do more household tasks on average, except that now, it is in addition to their job.

The winners in this story are childless singles: women can now have a proper carrer without help from a man, and single men suffered essentially no downside, in fact it is a win since they are not expected to cover every expense the women they meet may have anymore.

Some countries are starting to notice that and are passing laws that give both mothers and fathers equal benefits, like parental leaves, bringing back what the result of feminism should have been: giving the option of stay-at-home moms and stay-at-home dads, also allowing fathers to assist mothers who are recovering from pregnancy or breastfeeding with household tasks instead of being forced to work.

[steve_adams_86]

> The winners in this story are childless singles

To each their own, but I'm not convinced they're winning overall either. Humans are, for better or worse, extremely driven to procreate and have families and communities. We're absolutely butchering those opportunities at a grand scale in North America, and so far it seems to be having adverse effects on our mental health. I don't know how this will play out but I have serious concerns.

While the option for mom OR dad to stay home with baby is nice, I worry that it's nowhere near the correction that we need.

I say this with the awareness that everyone wants something a little different out of life and this reflects my take on what that is; not everyone would agree at all. I'm certainly not trying to make a statement about what people should want.

[FrontierPsych]

>Humans are, for better or worse, extremely driven to procreate and have families and communities.

But in reality, marriage has fallen off a cliff. It's the lowest ever.

And women are much more money-oriented than men - men want a hot young woman, women want a provider - even if they work themselves, they want a man to make as much or more. Men don't care - they will marry a broke waitress if she looks good to him. And the reality is that men ar dropping out of society - women are earning 60% of undergrad degrees, and I've read that it will be 70-75% in 10-15 years. These women are not going to want to marry men not at their level.

If any woman disagrees here, I'll gladly be the stay-at-home partner while you go work and I play video games all day.

August 2020 Pew report (describing data from 2019): "Half of all solo single people don’t want a romantic relationship or even a date."

A long, long time ago I made the decision not to get married because marriage is a really, really bad deal for the man. I feel that no man should get married, not one. You may say "what would happen to the human race, then?" Well, the world might not be flamed baked like Venus if the human race was to die out in the next 100 years.