[erulabs]

I'm not entirely sure that's as simple of a distinction as you might suppose. Language is more than grammar and vocabulary. Knowing and speaking truth have quite the overlap.

More specifically, without language, can you know that someone else knows anything?

[scotty79]

> Language is more than grammar and vocabulary. Knowing and speaking truth have quite the overlap.

But speaking the truth is just minor and rare application of the language.

> More specifically, without language, can you know that someone else knows anything?

Honestly, just ask them to show you math. If they don't have any math they probably don't have any true knowledge. The only other form of knowledge is a citation.

Language and truth are orthogonal.

[nwienert]

Just like the model, you’re technically correct but missing the point. No one cares if it’s good at generating nonsense, so the metric were all measuring by is truth not language. At least if we’re staying on context here and debating the usefulness of these things in regards to search.

So as a product, that’s the game it’s playing and failing at. It’s unhelpfully pedantic to try and steer into technicalities.

[stonemetal12]

>were all measuring by is truth not language.

If that is the measure you are using that's cool, but

>So as a product, that’s the game it’s playing and failing at.

It is failing that measure by such a wide margin that if "everyone" (certainly anyone at MS) was using that measure then the product wouldn't exist. The measure MS seems to be using is it entertaining and does it get people to visit the site. Heck this is probably the most I have heard about bing in at least 5 years.

[SergeAx]

I tell you more: language is an instrument of telling lies. Truth doesn't need to and actually cannot be spoken, it manifests itself as is. Lao Tzu: "He who knows, does not speak, and he who speaks does not know". Meaning: any truth put into words becomes a lie.