[durnygbur]

During covid for a moment red/green status in a mobile app was determining basic civil freedoms and freedom of movement of an individual. This is the future if we go cashless. If things start going wrong, it takes few days for tyranny to creep in. Most people are ecstatic when given authority to control others and to toggle their rights.

[qikInNdOutReply]

The problem is not dystopian control. Societies are much to chaotic to keep that up. Even in china it fell apart and does fall apart. People rebel by withdrawing the will to life in such a society. Dystopian totalitarian states burn themselves out in one way another. Some final act is usually some futile war against a neighbour, before turning into small substates fightin one another.

A tokken represents the value of what a society can do for you. When that shrinks and all those billionaires, become just paper factory owners. Thats were the hurt is. What does it matter who and how you hold that weimar paper money fort.

[kuschku]

"During the Zombie apocalypse, whether or not you're a zombie is determining basic civil freedoms and freedom of movement of an individual. This is the future if we go cashless"

WTF? You do realize that it's not an arbitrary status in an app that mattered, but whether you're at risk of infecting hundreds, right?

[miroljub]

Do you realize it was an arbitrary status based on arbitrary decision by arbitrary politicians based on opinions of arbitrary scientists?

You may also analyse the currently available arbitrary data. Then you may realize that the status was indeed arbitrary. There is not even correlation, let alone causation on infection outcome when comparing arbitrary countries and states whose arbitrary politicians arbitrarily decided to listen to a different set of arbitrary scientists.

[rgrieselhuber]

“Zombie” - dehumanization is always a critical step in the process.

[kuschku]

We're talking about a highly contagious disease. I've lost my entire sense of smell (I used to be a quite good amateur chef before that, cooking for friends all the time, now that's gone) and I'm exhausted instantly when I do anything physical now, struggling with tasks that I used to do easily before.

I'm not going to have any sympathy to people who intentionally and knowingly bring that upon others.

[rgrieselhuber]

So stay out of crowded areas. Rearranging an entire society with these sorts of measures is lunacy.

[komali2]

It sounds like you're arguing for the right to knowingly infect others with contagious disease.

Sometimes things happen that cause society to need to be rearranged. In the case of COVID it really didn't require that much rearrangement - prefer outdoor activities, wear masks, stick HEPA filters in enclosed spaces, keep windows open. Contact tracing apps, maybe. We had those in Taiwan in a way that protected privacy.

Predictably, people with reactionary tendencies, well, reacted, to which I say good luck in your next hurricane I guess? "Bah to this flooded city, I'm not about to let a half meter of water change how I live my life!"

[rgrieselhuber]

It sounds like you’re trying to make it seem like I said something I didn’t.

[oblio]

Quarantine and harsher equivalents have been a thing for centuries. They're temporary measures.

And guess what... they're over. Because they were temporary healthcare measures and reasonable people understood that.

[rgrieselhuber]

They are over because people eventually decided they were done with them.

[kuschku]

How is it rearranging? MMR had a vaccine mandate for years, I've experienced quarantine for pertussis as a child, etc.

This isn't new or rearranging whatsoever. The only new thing is people suddenly refusing to adhere to reasonable measures to protect each other.

I'm not allowed to go through downtown spreading teargas or anthrax, why should you be allowed to do the same with a different dangerous aerosol?