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by AlexAltea 1214 days ago
> Letting russia and china on the internet was a massive security mistake we should rectify.

Internet is decentralized in nature. Even if you tried to undo that, what's stopping anyone from bridging a non-CN/RU Intranet to CN/RU-Intranet.

More importantly: who is to decide that? Should now a US-based organization dictate who EU/JP/Africa can communicate with? Applying such decisions at such a low level will only result in the balkanization of the Internet.

And I totally agree with your approach, cost-reward of CN/RU links don't make sense for 99% of people. But blocking should *still* be optional (opt-in vs opt-out is another debate), becase for some (e.g. hardware, financial firms), the benefits of being able to communicate with China and Russia might outweigh the constant spam/attacks.

On a general note, why do people constantly try to impose their perspective on others? "This is bad for me/most, therefore should be banned for all."
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kordlessagain 1214 days ago
> what's stopping anyone from bridging a non-CN/RU Intranet to CN/RU-Intranet.

If someone were considering this, here's a means to do it with 402s: https://github.com/lightninglabs/aperture

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ilikecakeandpie 1214 days ago
> Applying such decisions at such a low level will only result in the balkanization of the Internet

Are we not already there with states being able to dictate what is and isn't allowed?

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AlexAltea 1214 days ago
Yes, but those are legal measures affecting higher levels of the OSI model, not low-levels technical blocks as OP implied.

Technical measures such as "not letting CN/RU on the Internet", involve at least blocking their IP space at BGP level (null routing as in China's Great Firewall), or even reallocating their IP space.

The Internet might be more or less fragmented at a high-level due to bureaucracy (see GDPR and HTTP Error 451 Unavailable for legal reasons or DNS blacklists), but at least everyone can pretty much agree where a public IP address points to.

Breaking up the very foundation of the Internet... that could get really messy and complicated.

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lxgr 1214 days ago
We are, so arguably we don't need private entities joining in the wall building frenzy just yet.
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