[vineyardmike]

> Jitsi is terrible.

But it gets points for being open source and self hostable. I appreciate that.

For me, it’s

Google Meet (best UI, I like the waiting room, etc)

Amazon Chime (I like the ringing features, integrated chat)

Jitsi (OSS etc)

Zoom (It’s ok, yes, but the company is questionable and the UI is so so)

Etc

Teams (never used tbh, but I used corporate Skype before rebranding and it never worked right)

[nortonham]

zoom is a questionable company but somehow Google or Amazon are not.......

[vineyardmike]

Yes. Zoom executives directly working for china to disrupt users calls that were anti-china. They later formally added Chinese-gov related takedowns in their TOS.

Before the pandemic, apple had to remove their Mac app because it was basically a virus.

Google and Amazon aren't perfect, but you can use their video calls without worrying that an executive will dislike the content of your call and mess with you. And they don't use anti-patterns to try and route you from the web app to installing a virus.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/18/technology/zoom-tiananmen...

https://www.wired.com/story/zoom-bug-webcam-hackers/ https://lifehacker.com/remove-zoom-from-your-mac-right-now-1...

[nl]

I'm too old to put up with software that doesn't work sorely because it is open source.

[YoshiRulz]

I'm too old to put up with software that doesn't work solely because it is closed-source and so doesn't accept patches :P Trying to get rid of the Discord client at the moment...