[luckman212]

It's boring reading comments like these.

Really? 2.5 years of "nothing but poor experiences"? I have to ask: what the hell is wrong with your computer?

I started using Teams heavily in 2020 and yes, back then it was unequivocally the worst of the bunch. But I've seen it make great strides, and it's been many months, perhaps years since I've really had any problems with it. Audio, video, screen sharing, PSTN dial-in, whiteboard, call handoff between mobile app and desktop... it all works fine. I'm not using anything special. Just a run-of-the-mill MacBook Air. They started pushing out an Arm-native build for macOS last year and that really solved the slow perf and battery drain. As long as you stay reasonably current with updates, Teams works just fine.

It's just lazy at this point to bash Teams "because".

[userbinator]

I have to ask: what the hell is wrong with your perception?

What other IM/AV applications have you used before, and on what hardware?

If you've never seen better, it's not surprising that you'd think Teams is good.

I vividly remember that 20 years ago there was MSN Messenger, and the experience was far better than that of Teams on hardware at least an order of magnitude less powerful. After that was (pre-MS) Skype, which was also not that bad.

Teams is an absolute pig in comparison. It works --- just barely. Audio and video calls are probably what it does best, and "best" is relative. For IM, it's beyond horrible.

[what-the-grump]

Really? I use zoom for hours and it regularly eats my PC.

If teams works just barely there is something wrong with your setup. None of the chat/im applications work barely. They work, to a point, then crash/glitch/etc.

Let’s see, Slack IM notifications on mobile are garbage, I’m just going to assume that I will miss them at this point. Slack audio is an actual joke, we redirect it to teams…

Zoom, eats our computers. We screen share 3-4 hours someone’s screen will turn black because the video card driver will crash, daily.

Google, does mostly ok for calls without sharing and one person speaking. Limited support for physical devices, calls, etc. noise suppression is minimal so having more than one person unmuted is going to blow an ear drum. Limited features.

GoTo, as long as you are using it as a phone and not an app, you can make a call hurray!

Webex is crap end to end, but you will join a session and get through a call, mostly without blowing up. Feature rich? No.

Teams, let’s see random client gui crashes, but the call stays up so you can keep talking but can’t do anything? Probably weekly occurrence on the current release. Sensitive to https termination in networks and offload, oh hell yes. Forgets camera mappings just like slack every time? Yes and yes. Continues ringing on your phone if you pickup on desktop. Yes just like zoom, but at least it can transfer to desktop, most of the time.

I use all of them, for clients, daily, weekly, monthly. Teams by far is the most feature rich client. Somewhere in the middle of consistency, stability, etc.

Is it magical and poops unicorns? No but ya’ll need to stop being dramatic. They all work, mostly, some have cool features, some are dead in the water like slack, WebEx, GoTo, etc. MS is dumping tons of money into developing teams, they are going to break a lot of eggs, less than in 2020 but still enough to make a mess.

[Unknoob]

Or maybe people just have different experiences?

I ran teams on a fairly powerful i9-equipped MacBook Pro and it was unbearable. Couldn't even scroll up to older messages without it freezing up, the integrations with Office 365 were also really slow.

[zrobotics]

Umm, teams video will reliably cause my surface pro 7 to actually BSOD. Not exaggerating, having the video turned on will cause a no-shit BSOD on Microsoft hardware, and my coworker with the another surface also has that issue.

On my desktop with a no-name webcam with a generic driver I have no issues with teams, but the complaints about the software are rooted in actual problems. It's inconsistent, I've never seen a program that can have so many different bugs. We have 2 users who regularly use teams to communicate with an external vendor, they are on exactly identical Dell desktops. One has no issue at all, the other will see massive performance issues when teams is running in the background, somehow it is saturating disk read on a ssd. It would be hard to have more identical systems, they are running the same OS image with the same programs installed, the only thing that's different is the user account they are signed into. I finally just gave up and swapped the user's entire system with a spare, which resolved the issue but as far as I can tell there are no problems with that system. I pulled it out of spares 2 months ago for a new employee and they have not reported any issues at all, and I have followed up with them out of curiosity.

Teams is just super inconsistent, so the fact that it works on 1 computer for you doesn't in any way invalidate all the other problems people report with it.

Edit: unfortunate autocorrect typo substituting a slur for the worn 'new'

[apple4ever]

> what the hell is wrong with your computer?

Nothing, because Zoom works completely fine while Teams is always struggling to make a connection, keep a connection, have good quality video and audio, and well even OPEN. There is a persistent problem on Macs where Teams refuses to open unless you delete an obscure file.

[JohnFen]

True, Teams isn't as awful as it was in 2020. But it's still pretty bad, and it's a bad that is foisted on many of us. That makes putting up with it even more irritating than it might otherwise be.

[antifa]

I've been using teams since about 2020 and I don't think they've fixed any annoyance or bug I've encountered.

[rs999gti]

> I have to ask: what the hell is wrong with your computer?

For our org, it isn't the PC, it is the org controlling Teams and the firewall.

They have Teams configured somehow, that none of the subsidiaries can talk to each other, you can't talk to outside people or invite them, and the performance is really bad due to the way the clients and firewall are configured.

I'm guessing lots of orgs are in the the same boat because Teams is newer than Zoom, Web Ex, or Go to meeting, and for these legacy meeting clients the PCs, firewall, and org has had time to optimize for them.

Teams is more of an afterthought because it comes with 365.

[sandos]

I sort of agree, teams are working really well for us, a medeium sized globally dispersed team of developers.

I do have one pain-point: my phone discord sometimes does not understand that it should be quiet if I am active on a computer at the same time, and dings for very new chat message.

[shaklee3]

agreed. I use teams every day, and the meetings features are great. chat isn't as good, but it's useable. zoom is terrible and lacking basic features