[blain_the_train]

So clojure has three main build tools: Lein, deps, and boot.

Meanwhile in the java world you have: Gradle, Maven, Ant, etc...

> And Clojure CLI tools also seem like a total shitshow compared to go or rust’s tooling.

Wat

> Spec seems kind of weird and not well thought out either.

WAT?

[sanderjd]

Maybe your comment makes sense to you with all the context and experiences inside your head, but I have no clue what points it is trying to make. Can you maybe use more words to say what you're trying to say here?

[blain_the_train]

Java has more build tools then Clojure, so thus is more “more fragmented” apparently. I replied “wat” as a slang version of “what” and a short version of “what do you mean” because that’s the only reasonable reply to “spec seems kind of weird and not well thought out either”. I’m asking OP to qualify there statement with something that could even start to be a conversation about various tradeoffs.

But really, i wish i hadn’t hit enter and i wish i could delete my comment because OP’s comment isn’t a good entry point to discussion anything.

[sanderjd]

Ok that's fair. But from my perspective as an outsider, the parent comment gave me a lot more info than yours did.

I don't see why you're focused on the comparison to Java's also-crappy-and-fragmented ecosystem.

When your parent comment said "it isn't as good as rust, etc.", that gave me a comparison point, because I'm familiar with how those other ones work. When you said "wat" to that, that told me nothing. Are you also familiar with those other ecosystems and find the Clojure one better? Or similar or equivalent? I have no clue whatsoever what you think.

You're right, the parent's comment on spec (which I have no idea what that is) and your rebuttal are equally bereft of content.

[hota_mazi]

> Java has more build tools then Clojure

First of all, than*, not then.

Second... no, it doesn't. Gradle and Maven are the standards, and they both use the very well documented, incredibly successful, Maven Central repository. They are just two different implementations using the same, reliable, battle proven approach to dependencies. You need a library? Add it to your build file, with its version, and you're done.

And yes, whether you spell it "wat" or "what", both these words are a dumb way of participating into a discussion that do nothing but expose your ignorance of the topic you are trying to debate. Voice your concern, question, challenge, in plain English, or you'll just come out as childish, combative, and not educated enough to take part in the discussion.

[yenda]

Well with that logic it's the same for clojure, Lein and deps.edn they both use the very well documented, incredibly successful, Maven Central repository. They are just two different implementations using the same, reliable, battle proven approach to dependencies. You need a library? Add it to your build file, with its version, and you're done.