[elwell]

I didn't realize how nice I had it with Clojure until I went full-time Java.

[hota_mazi]

Java is almost 30 years old.

How does it compare in your mind with, say, Rust and Kotlin?

[elwell]

> Java is almost 30 years old.

Java has changed substantially over that time period though

[roguas]

does kotlin offer anything more than less-boilerplate-than-java?