[adlpz]

I don't agree.

I consider myself something akin to a veteran. I've been coding for over two decades. Not sure if that qualifies, but anyway.

My point is: it's been with experience that I've come to value ergonomics the most.

And that for me includes having a thriving and focused ecosystem, extensive industry penetration, good and stable tooling, lots of well known codebases learn from, etc.

It was when I was young and inexperienced that I didn't see those as the important bits. I was happy hacking on any half assed editor exploring undocumented APIs and trying to discover patterns and idioms by myself. I was happy to waste time.

I'm not anymore. That's why, while a love Clojure as a language, I don't really use it that much nowadays.

Too much friction.

[garbagecoder]

If only time served makes you a veteran, I guess I'm one too, but a lot of it was mediocre time.

I still like hacking on things, but only on hobby projects. When it has something to do with work, I agree. Clojure reminds me of why I liked coding in the first place and I like the way LISP-type languages make me think differently about what I'm doing.

But "in the real world," yeah, I don't want those things. I want something I can build and maintain and be done.