[X-Istence]

My company uses Teams... and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

So here's at least one person who is using teams who complains about it.

The shitty UI/UX is one thing, but some of the behaviors are incredibly frustrating. Here's some examples:

- Sharing a single window makes Teams minimize the window with everyones video camera on it into a small window in the corner of your primary screen. I have a 49" wide screen, I can have that Teams window open (so I can see faces/people) and share a window at full-size for everyone else, STOP minimizing that window.

- That small window sits in the bottom right corner of the primary screen, if you move it elsewhere, click on Teams for chat, and then foreground another app, it re-positions itself in the bottom right corner (thereby obscuring whatever app happens to be sitting there)

- All of my meetings that were created through Outlook/Office 365 as a Teams meeting are labeled "untitled" and there is no way for me or anyone else to change the title of the meeting, its worse if the meeting is on a shared calendar

- Teams notifications are the worst, it'll tell me I have 2 messages, but I open the app and there is nothing, OR it's messages I've already seen

- No easy integration for 3rd party chatbots and the like, which is a HUGE thing we use on Slack

- Teams out of all of the apps (including all the security software corporate loves) uses the most energy and power, and is the primary reason that we all upgraded to M1's as fast as possible because then maybe we'd have a chance to use our laptops without carrying the power brick when in meetings

- Tagging people in messages may or may not notify them...

- Meetings allow you to add people to them, but once the meeting is over they get removed from the chat, even if you've tagged those people in the meeting chat with important information, you have to formally invite people to the meeting with the original meeting invite for them to "stick".

- No way to copy/paste entire chat history/print chat history. I have so many screenshots of meetings/notes I need to keep and or share with others.

Overall Teams is one of the worst products I've used, and I was using "Teams" in the Microsoft Lync on macOS during the Office Communicator days.

The lack of native app is a real killer though, and unlike Slack which has done a LOT to improve how they use Electron/how much energy they use, Teams is the slowest and worst of them.

[tengwar2]

It is telling that there is almost no overlap between your list of why you hate Teams, and my list of why I hate Teams.

Burn it with fire.

Salt the ground on which it stood.

[X-Istence]

That's because there's nothing redeemable about Teams. My list of annoyances are the things I dealt with this morning... I am sure that if you give me another hour or two I will have a whole new list of annoyances :P

[heleninboodler]

This is the real reason people hate it with such a passion. It's just got so many baffling/annoying misfeatures that you could make lists about it endlessly.

Have they changed the thing where you only see a circle with people's initials during meetings and you have to click on them to see their actual names?

Edit: note that zoom has some equally-baffling and irritating design choices, but at least it performs well and doesn't try to do nearly as much, so the list of things I hate about it stays small. It's also damning that the list of things I hate about it hasn't changed in the three years I've been using it heavily, but at this point I'm grudgingly comfortable with its "quirks."

[lmm]

> It's also damning that the list of things I hate about it hasn't changed in the three years I've been using it heavily

Honestly, I'll take a program with a bunch of consistent downsides over one that has fewer downsides but comes up with new ones in each version.

[antifa]

Teams is so bad in weird inconsistent ways it feels they A/B downsides and bugs instead of features.

[X-Istence]

> Have they changed the thing where you only see a circle with people's initials during meetings and you have to click on them to see their actual names?

Nope.

[heleninboodler]

This one is inexplicable. I don't know my coworkers by their initials, I know them by their names. I know it sounds like a simple mental mapping, but first off, it apparently isn't because I see initials and then I have to go mentally step through names to figure out who it could match, and second, I have multiple team members whose initials are JS, you fucking idiots. Is this like a fun puzzle to some people? I don't get it at all. There is room for the names. Just display the names.

In fact, if you really want to beat zoom, show me a nice compact list of people in the meeting, with their names, with a sound meter, with their mute status, sorted by who spoke most recently. Make this something I can see in my main meeting window, for a fairly large number of people (let's say at least 25) without paging through them. Let it go to multiple columns if necessary and I give it space. Do NOT do the zoom thing and make them all get really big so I can still only see 8.

[jrochkind1]

> Sharing a single window makes Teams minimize the window with everyones video camera on it into a small window in the corner of your primary screen. I have a 49" wide screen, I can have that Teams window open (so I can see faces/people) and share a window at full-size for everyone else, STOP minimizing that window.

Took me a while to figure this out, but, and if I understand what's going on and you didn't realize it you're going to smack yourself, but...

Try clicking on that tiny window with everyone's video feed on it. It gets bigger again into a full (and resizable) window with everyone's video feed, while the window you are sharing is still being shared (and outlined in red).

Apologies if I misunderstand or this doens't apply to you (I'm on MacOS), but it literally took me months of being frustrated with that situation before I realized clicking on the tiny window would restore it to a full window, so I figured that might be you too. I forget, maybe it requires a double-click.

[X-Istence]

> Try clicking on that tiny window with everyone's video feed on it. It gets bigger again into a full (and resizable) window with everyone's video feed, while the window you are sharing is still being shared (and outlined in red).

Yup, until you click away from that window, suddenly its the little window in the corner again and it is no longer available in Mission Control, well the little tiny window is.

So I end up clicking on that little window all the goddamn time just so I can see my co-workers and know who is talking.

I don't want it to minimize at all. And I surely don't want it to sit in the bottom right corner and if I move it, move back there.

[jrochkind1]

I don't use mission control, but I'm able to have the bigger window stay open while I click in the window I'm sharing, and also click in other unrelated windows I'm not sharing.

Not sure why it's different for me and you, but I'm not shocked, the software is definitely a mess.

But I somehow don't have the particular problem you are having... anymore.

[ArchOversight]

It seems to be an issue when something covers part of the Teams window. I have the same issue as the parent poster.

If a window is placed over top of the Teams window with all the floating faces, it minimizes itself into that small window...

[ddkto]

but when the video window pops up again, it's a different size than it was before. I usually have the video window expanded to half a screen (the other half is for taking notes). If I share the other monitor, the sequence is:

1. share monitor to Teams 2. click on the little window to make it big again 3. reposition the video window back to where it was before

It's not clear to me the value of steps 2 and 3...

[X-Istence]

Yeah, the random resizing it does is also incredibly annoying. I also placed it where I wanted it so that it is to the left of the window I am sharing... I know where I want it, but Teams thinks it knows better.