[the_only_law]

> And in fact, we should question the ethics of both vasectomies and birth control. In 2023 these treatments are mostly, though not entirely, considered mostly in the pursuit of carefree pleasure and fun.

Perhaps we should question the ethics of kids playing casual sports because it’s in the pursuit or carefree pleasure and fun

[bruiseralmighty]

Play is important to a child's development. Try to refocus and retain that the context of the conversation is about medical interventions not playground games.

It is self-evident that reversing a decision to play freeze tag is orders of magnitude easier than reversing a dental tooth cleaning; a mundane medical procedure.

[the_only_law]

How about you worry about yourself. What’s it to you if someone decides to get a vasectomy in their 40s? Or are you simply more interested in bending and controlling people with your personal moral views where “pleasure and fun” are sins.

[filoleg]

> How about you worry about yourself. What’s it to you if someone decides to get a vasectomy in their 40s?

I don't think almost anyone in this thread, including the person you are replying to, has any issues with 40 year olds doing whatever they want to with their own body. They are adults who can accept full responsibility over their actions and consequences, no matter how irreversable or disastrous they could end up being. Children are an entirely different story, as they, by definition, have no ability to provide informed consent to a lot of things, and rightfully so.

> Or are you simply more interested in bending and controlling people with your personal moral views where “pleasure and fun” are sins [?]

You are fighting windmills here. At no point had anyone in this chain of comments exerted any moral judgement against people transitioning or even suggested that it was sinful.

And to be extra clear, I have no issues with adults transitioning, and I would have no issues with minors either, if the process was fully reversible. Most western countries don't consider minors being legally able to give consent to getting tattoos due to their (near-)permanency, but no one has any issues with adults getting those. I, personally, would consider transitioning to have a much higher bar for "minors should be able to consent to it" than I would for getting a tattoo.

[the_only_law]

> I don't think almost anyone in this thread, including the person you are replying to, has any issues with 40 year olds doing whatever they want to with their own body.

> Of course what compounds these ethical concerns is that in these cases the subjects are children. On the whole this takes the acts from merely questionable or wrong-headed to monstrous.

FROM wrong-headed TO monstrous. Sounds like they have a pretty negative and judgmental opinion regardless if it’s an adult, that just intensifies when children are involved. So yeah, I do think GP has issues with said 40 year olds. How many minors are getting vasectomies anyway? How it is comparable to a gender transition except in the most vague and useless ways?

> You are fighting windmills here. At no point had anyone in this chain of comments exerted any moral judgement against people transitioning or even suggested that it was sinful.

Not even talking about people transitioning . Why the fuck is this guy comparing it to vasectomies and obesity in the first place.