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by kneebonian 1221 days ago
Anyone else feel like we aren't getting the whole story here?
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No, I feel like we are jumping with both feet to conclusions rather than gathering data and then evaluating.
> jumping with both feet to conclusions

What conclusions?

I'd actually like to see some conclusions. So far all we have is 'objects'.

"Reported" objects. On a complex radar system which has filters in the process of being re-tuned, because of concern things have been missed but now, there are more false positives: radar is complicated and weather, dust, floating metallised party balloons, insects, migrating birds can generate signals.
>migrating birds can generate signals.

Great, so you're setting up Pearl Harbor 2.0

The conclusion that this is even worthy of the attention of everyday citizens, and not a routine case of floating trash?
"everyday citizens" shouldn't have an interest in what the US military is shooting at over North America?
WSJ is reporting the Alaska object was metallic balloon with suspended payload.
Yeah, it's a big distraction from other, non-balloon important world events that we should be focusing on, of which there are many. These balloons taking over the news cycle for days on end eats into peoples precious attention spans. Suddenly balloons are the hottest thing to focus on right now though.
Right, what are the Kardashians up to since all of the balloon activity? We can't forget the important stuff. Or the 18 versions of RHO...
There's that war in Ukraine some powerful folks would probably prefer The West stopped paying attention and sending aid to...
https://newsasfacts.com/

Even my most unbiased source of news can’t come up with much distraction-worthy news outside of a small kerfuffle in the Philippines.

The train in Ohio seems moderately distraction worthy.
I’m surprised it doesn’t have anything about Turkey’s earthquake response. Things happened today.
Is this your site? It looks neat
I wish lol. Someone smarter than me posted it here and I’ve been using it ever since.
FYI it's just an alternative frontend to a current events page wikipedia has:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events

I feel like we have a couple of weird but completely plausible events involving balloons. And now everyone is thinking about it, so people start noticing it more.

Isn’t this a well-studied behaviour? X happens and suddenly lots of people are calling in about X.

I don’t understand what’s so interesting about a spy balloon anyway. Doesn’t China already have satellites in orbit able to take high resolution pictures anywhere in the country anyway?
about the balloons themselves? Nothing. But how the US responds, how much they tolerate, that's all important signals. A lot of geopolitical competition is about poking and seeing what you can get away with.
11km is a lot closer than 350km. closer, and a lot less air in the way.
Let’s say you had a rival, and they had a spy balloon floating above your house. No big deal?
A balloon 60k+ feet above my house? Yes no big deal. Not like they will see anything better than they could from the public road, or what's on google maps.
Google Maps can show a live overhead video feed of you sunbathing in your backyard?
Google maps doesn't, but satellites (where google maps gets some of its image data) can already capture live video, so this point is irrelevant.
What evidence do we have that these balloons are of terrestrial origin, other than Occam’s razor? It could be Venusians, who have experience building lighter than aircraft for their floating cities. Other than how wildly improbable it is, the alien theory still makes more sense than the CCP thinking balloon espionage is a pretty neat idea.
There's no released info on the second or third but China acknowledged ownership of the first balloon (as an errant weather balloon) and complained when it was destroyed. Remains of the balloon were recovered and the Chinese companies that built the balloon were identified. None of that behavior is consistent with a Venusian origin.