[marvin]

Vertically-integrated success stories like Tesla can't be that shoddy in quality, when compared to the horror stories here.

Maybe the truth somehow lies more along the path of antiquated ecosystems leading to too-lenient customers, the way the space launch industry could allow itself to be incredibly wasteful until SpaceX came along.

[wpietri]

An odd example, given that Tesla is known for mediocre quality. But yes, success stories are definitionally better than the usual; there are definitely places that don't fit the stereotype. E.g., Wahl clippers, or some of the companies in the Lean orbit, like the ones Kevin Meyer [1] has been involved in. But still, it sounds like the average level of quality is way lower, and I don't think that's just due to the customers.

[1] https://kevinmeyer.com/bio