[LukeB42]

Can you explain like I'm 5 why this matters distinctly from how transformers are normally trained with autodiff and what its possible applications are?

[adamnemecek]

I’m talking about attention only transformers. Those don’t have an autodiff but still learn. The math is actually really cool.

[lostmsu]

> attention only transformers

Can you share any good link on the subject?

[adamnemecek]

https://transformer-circuits.pub/2021/framework/index.html

[lostmsu]

Maybe I am missing something, but I don't see any learning without autodiff.

[adamnemecek]

I thought you were asking about attention only transformers. This paper touches on some of it https://arxiv.org/abs/2212.10559v2.

[lostmsu]

The paper speculates that it is analogous to gradient descent and empirically confirms it is similar in behavior, but it is not a rigorous proof of any kind.

The momentum experiment they made also does not seem related. E.g. it just adds past values to V, which extends the effective context length.