[distantaidenn]

I hate to see this rhetoric on HN. I considered this one of the last bastions of rational, open, and unbiased discourse. I suppose "Eternal September" comes for all.

As a member of the Black and Asian community (and others), first I'd like to say. What? Since when did Black people (en masse) begin assigning any manner of blame to the Jewish community as the "real enemies?" Aside from a one particular prominent rap artist and one very fringe religious group, no one I know or any of the Black online communities I frequent have ever said such. If there was a newsletter, I sure as hell didn't get it.

Regarding the Black on Asian violence we saw in the US. It was and is a damned shame. Again, as a member of those communities, it hurts. However, I know I walk the fine line of whataboutism here, but I have to make it known. The increase in Asian hate was not led by Black Americans (but the reporting of it sure as hell made it look that way). I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine which group was the number one culprit of such vile acts -- from simple assault to mass murder. Regardless, no matter the culprit, any act of violence based on race is absolutely and utterly reprehensible.

We don't need a designated "bad guy" in order to address these horrible events. We all need to do better.

[Edit] I seemed to have ruffled some feathers here.

[wonderwonder]

What rhetoric? Asians are being discriminated against, see the entire Harvard scandal. As well as corporate hiring policies. At no point in time did I say it was just by African Americans. I did reference a national series of events that involved African Americans because it allowed me to describe an anecdotal experience involving a corporate DEI director.

As far as African Americans holding anti semitic views, nearly a quarter of African Americans hold antisemitic views as opposed to 14% of the general population.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

What have I said that is not "rational, open, and unbiased"? I was very clear that the DEI director experience was something I saw and I provided the context of when it occurred. Take your accusations elsewhere.

[distantaidenn]

I'm not arguing that Asians are being discriminated against. It's obvious this is happening, and it's disgusting. I was commenting on your comment about Black Americans being the leading culprits of Asian hate crimes.

I admit, I was unaware of the skewed anti-Semitic views. Definitely will do further research.

Also, you know exactly the rhetoric I am speaking of.

[wonderwonder]

you said I am spewing some sort of rhetoric. My comments were highlighting anti asian bias, factual african american anti semitism and an anecdotal experience I had regarding DEI. So again what rhetoric? I think you are either reading something in my statement that is not there or associating me with something else. I really am not sure what you mean. If you mean I am anti DEI then yes I am as I have only ever experienced negatives from it in both the way its handled and the way coworkers are treated.

"I was commenting on your comment about Black Americans being the leading culprits of Asian hate crimes."

Please reread my original post. I said nothing of the sort. I was referring to a single string of highly publicized events in the context of a DEI experience I was relaying.

Edit: I actually want to soften this response. I think you are probably coming from a genuine place and took offense in some way to what I wrote. I'm not going to apologize for my post as I see nothing wrong with it and it was not intended to confer bias against any race. With that said, you still took offence though which is your right. While I'm human and as such obviously have biases, none were intended in the post I was just relaying factual events that I experienced regarding DEI initiatives. Either way I wish you well.

[distantaidenn]

I appreciate your edit. It's a sensitive topic and although we may try our hardest to be bias free, we are human, and we are fallible. I'll try to reread your initial post again.

Best wishes to you as well.

[davidktr]

> I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine which group was the number one culprit of such vile acts

Let us have that open discussion and actually make it known, not just alluding to it. I don't know the answer. Which group is it?

Please make sure 1) to control for population ratios, 2) to control for additional factors potentially influencing the outcome where the groups differ, e.g., degree of urbanisation, 3) to include a procedure how the groups are classified.

You indicate to know the answer so I trust confounding factors have been excluded and it is transparent how the group labels were assigned. Thanks in advance!

[skippyboxedhero]

> We don't need a designated "bad guy" in order to address these horrible events. We all need to do better.

Also:

> I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine which group was the number one culprit of such vile acts

I think everyone hates to see this on HN. Implying that your "and we know which race is responsible" is unbiased is...something else.

[distantaidenn]

That's my point. I'm not pointing fingers. When these stories first begin to trend, I looked up the data and saw the raw numbers. Any preconceived notions you may have are yours and yours alone.

[hdjjhhvvhga]

> The increase in Asian hate was not led by Black Americans (but the reporting of it sure as hell made it look that way). I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine which group was the number one culprit of such vile acts.

Since you present an opinion that is directly against the reporting, it would make sense to back it up rather than make some vague suggestions.

[throwawayacc6]

>The increase in Asian hate was not led by Black Americans

Yes it was.

>I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine which group was the number one culprit of such vile acts -- from simple assault to mass murder.

Let's look at the objective facts backed by data: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

Table 14

Asians were the only group more likely to be attacked by someone of a different race. Blacks were the most frequent aggressors. 27% of attacks were from Black aggressors. 24% were from White aggressors. Blacks make up 13% of the population, so they are WAY more likely per capita to attack Asians than Whites. QED.

inb4 this is from 2018. If you have numbers from a latter reputable study, please provide them here, but the facts are facts. Blacks are the number one perpetrators of crime against Asians.

[Edit] No feathers rustled here, you're just projecting after being called out. I simply enjoy being a data driven adult.

[crackercrews]

These are facts about Asian victimization. Victimization does not demonstrate hate. There are separate charts for hate crime patterns, and I believe it shows a similar trend. Not surprisingly the current administration does not want to talk about this very much. Instead they talk about bias incidents, including saying not nice things. These skew whiter than crimes, especially violent crimes.

[distantaidenn]

See for yourself: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19llMUCDHX-hLKru-cnDCq0Bi...

Also, your comment history shows a definite bias.

[throwawayacc6]

I'm not opening a random Google Doc. That's not a reputable study.

>Also, your comment history shows a definite bias.

"You said something that goes against the narrative so I'm going to dig through your history to find something I dislike so I can commit an ad hominem against the heretic."

Yes, I have a penchant for being fact driven. I'm biased towards reality.

[kelseyfrog]

> I'm biased towards reality.

The truth is that people who say this overwhelmingly externalize their own biases as reality and then divorce themselves from the idea that they did so in the first place. They aren't capable of behaving otherwise and see themselves as beyond reproach. It's a thought limiting cliche and signals the participant is unwilling to consider anything other than their own point of view.

[distantaidenn]

The "random google doc" was prepared by Dr. Janelle Wong of the Asian American Studies Program from the University of Maryland.

[throwawayacc6]

A Google doc prepared by a high priestess of grievance studies means less than nothing. Provide me a reputable study with real statistical analysis and objective figures like I did.