[throw0101c]

> Waterproof phone = no headphone jack

The Asus Zenfone 9 has a headphone jack and is rate IP68 (up to 1.5m for 30 mins):

* https://www.asus.com/mobile/phones/zenfone/zenfone-9/

* https://www.gsmarena.com/asus_zenfone_9-11656.php

The iPhone 14 Plus is also IP68 (up to 6m for 30 mins):

* https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_14_plus-11862.php

GSM Arena's search criteria shows >200 phones that have 3.5mm jacks and IPx8 IP Certification:

* https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3

[input_sh]

> GSM Arena's search criteria shows >200 phones that have 3.5mm jacks and IPx8 IP Certification

Released in last five years: 303 with IPx8 certification, out of which 122 also have a headphone jack.

So out of every three waterproof models, two don't have a headphone jack. Seems to support my rule of thumb.

[skyyler]

Your rule of thumb is wrong a third of the time which is a D grade.

Technically passing, I suppose.

[input_sh]

Yes, that's what rule of thumb means.

It doesn't imply it's always the case, just more often than not. >60% is more often than not.

[skyyler]

I think you're a bit off on what rule of thumb means. Something that's false 1 out of 3 times is not "generally true".

If it was a 51/49 split in probability would you still call it a rule of thumb?