[roughly]

Research on youth suicide rates shows an extremely high correlation with the family and social environment, in that family support and at least some welcoming spaces dramatically lower suicide rates among trans youth.

The Trevor Project collects research on these lines: https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-abo...

[notch898a]

Looked at the page.

Says:

  LGBTQ youth are not inherently prone to suicide risk because of their sexual orientation or gender identity but rather placed at higher risk because of how they are mistreated and stigmatized in society.

This is a remarkable claim that demands proof. This seems to be a well thought out, researched, website therefore it can't be some oversight that they just spout this without evidence.

[malcolmgreaves]

> how they are mistreated and stigmatized in society.

You want someone to academically prove this concept to you? It is basic, as in fundamental, to human psychological safety and thus physical survival. Not everything true exists in a report.

[notch898a]

>everything true exists in a report.

Whoops, looks like I cut off part of the beginning of your sentence. That didn't change our interpretation of it now did it?

[roughly]

There's a lot of proof linked from that page. I presume you've read it all and have some specific disagreement?

[notch898a]

I'm looking for the citation for this:

  LGBTQ youth are not inherently prone to suicide risk because of their sexual orientation or gender identity but rather placed at higher risk because of how they are mistreated and stigmatized in society.

The citations show these individuals are placed at higher risk in association with mistreatment. I couldn't find the citations for the rest of the statement, including the 'rather' bit.

[roughly]

I think it’s effectively impossible to remove societal influence from the equation - in other words, we can compare between different local environments and personal histories, but there’s no trans youth in the western world that hasn’t grown up in an at least moderately hostile and othering society.

I think you may be able to do some comparative analysis based on different rates of depression & suicidal ideation among homosexual youths both over time and across different states/local environments to get a sense of the magnitude of the social effect, but it’s basically impossible to fully disentangle social effects when evaluating the mental health of trans youth when you’ve got senators and governors proposing bills decrying them as ‘less-than’.

But, let’s try an experiment: let’s keep working on society until that’s _not_ the case, and if there’s still a substantially higher incidence of trans suicide in a world in which they’re supported and have care options available to them, I’ll owe you a coke.

[za3faran]

> let’s keep working on society until ...

You can't posit that for every issue that pops up, it's not scalable at all. We have limited time on this Earth and limited resources, this is not a computer program where you can apply hypotheses in isolation and get quick results.

[GaryNumanVevo]

I think it should be a given that psychological safety is linked to suicide risk: do your own research if this seems like a stretch

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=psychological+safety+an...