[antisceptic]

Dell lost my confidence when their XPS 15 display couldn't display a pane of gray without flickering. I switched to a Macbook Pro and haven't looked back.

For me (personally) to consider Dell again, they would have to replicate everything that Framework does and ship Linux with support.

Edit: can I also add that they suck for business too? The slim form factor has NO place in business, slimming down the chassis and removing ports is an anti-pattern. I couldn't give a shit how thin my work laptop looks, my job doesn't involve taking pictures of unrealistically minimalistic office desks. With Dell you either get a dainty oversized netbook or a rugged behemoth (which is a little too rugged unless you're in telecom and roll in a van). Where's the middle ground? Nothing needed to change from the old thinkpad.

[shalmanese]

> The slim form factor has NO place in business.

It's arguably the most important attribute for quite a significant chunk of the business world. Work laptops need to be transported at least twice a day and most business tasks aren't at all demanding.

My dad's work mandates that he has to replace his laptop at most every 3 years and he has always picked the lightest macbook Apple sells. For a long time, it was the 11" Macbook Air and then it was the much derided 12" Macbook with a single port which he loved. Now, he's on the extremely well reviewed 13" M1 MBA and it's the least favorite of all the macbooks he's ever owned and he keeps asking me if this is really the smallest laptop in Apple's lineup and to let him know when Apple launches a smaller one so he can switch immediately.

[sofixa]

> can I also add that they suck for business too? The slim form factor has NO place in business, slimming down the chassis and removing ports is an anti-pattern

Define "business"? A salesperson that frequently travels to customers needs a thin laptop more than they need a powerful one. The opposite is true for a developer that would need more power but doesn't require the best GPU and screen, which a design person probably does. Dell offer all sorts of laptops fitting each of those use cases (unlike say Apple where e.g. the screen is non-negotiable).

[secondcoming]

Dell's Precision Mobile Workstations are beasts. I have a 7750, whacked 128GB RAM into it aftermarket, and never looked back.

[gambiting]

I can confirm - I have a Precision 7670 in pretty much the top spec(i7-12850HX, 128GB ram, 3080Ti) and it's an absolute beast. It blows my previous HP Z5 workstation desktop out of the water, it improved my compilation times by half. Really made my work more productive thanks to the crazy spec.

[scohesc]

I do notice the HP workstation tier laptops have absolutely trash thermals.

You can't do anything remotely intensive for longer than 15-30 seconds before the thing thermal throttles and becomes a hot paperweight.

[secondcoming]

Replace the thermal paste, or use liquid metal if your heatsink allows

[antisceptic]

The thinness and lack of ports on the Precision doesn't bother you?

[gambiting]

You must be thinking of a different line of laptops - the Precision workstations are anything but thin. They are big and pretty heavy laptops with plenty of ports.

[pnutjam]

XPS are the ones with no ports. The Precision and Lattitude lines usually have enough ports, and come in a variety of thin/thick models.