[labrador]

I think "cyber-criminal" is the term in common usage

[labster]

Yeah, but “cyber” is such a cringe prefix.

[mangamadaiyan]

It has impeccable pedigree, though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics

[stavros]

Fun fact, the words "cybernetics" and "kubernetes" are different transliterations of basically the same word.

[mathieuh]

More on this: in French the letter y is written "i grec", or "Greek 'i'".

In the IPA, the sound of the French 'u' or German 'ü' is written with as 'y'. E.g. French "tu" -> [ty].

To speakers of languages without that sound, it often gets mapped to the vowel sound in the English word "loose".

So you can see what's happened here, "cybernetics" with the "Greek 'y'" pronounced as French "u" becomes "kubernetes".

I don't know if modern Greek still has that sound.

I love little realisations like this. Sometimes I wish I'd done linguistics instead of computer science.

[stavros]

Modern Greek doesn't have the French "u" sound, I don't know if ancient Greek did. The "υ" in "κυβερνήτης" (cybernetes/kubernetes = helmsman, governor) is pronounced "i", as in "miss".

Incidentally, the word "governor" comes from "kubernetes" as well.

[mathieuh]

The French "u" sound is just "i" pronounced with your lips rounded, so the two sounds are very similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_phonology#Vowel_...

It seems some varieties of Ancient Greek did have that sound

[pyuser583]

Wasn’t cybernetics a borderline pseudoscience?

I mean read Stanley Milgram’s “Obedience to Authority” (with the actors who pretended to be shocked).

It was fascinating until he got to the theoretical implications. All cybernetic gobbledegook.

I prefer thinking of the “helmsman” of Ancient Greece when I hear Cyber/Kuber.

[john2x]

I prefer ecriminals

[Fnoord]

Annie are you OK? You've been hit by.. a smooth ecriminal.

[bawolff]

Either way, it is still emphasizing the computer aspect, which to me seems incidental to his crimes.