[joxel]

If you’re not just a code monkey than those chats are great for coming up with new ideas and fleshing them out over time. But hey you can also just be a code monkey that completes projects assigned to them. To each their own I guess.

[giantg2]

Yes, and people can be assholes if they want.

Maybe what you describe works at some places or for specific people. Many companies will ignore your ideas. Your title is code monkey and that's all you do - shut up and listen to us important people. Some managers are very threatened by their subordinates, or are unimaginative. The business side generally wants what they want. God forbid you suggest some new approach.

[The_Colonel]

I think you're missing the point, this is not about the split between management and engineering. Code monkey is here somebody who accepts assignment and produces code, without having a lot of understanding for the larger whole.

And that's mostly what you get with this attitude that doesn't value any meetings / communication which doesn't relate directly to one's work.

But the organizations don't want to have code monkeys (typically), because to produce value, people can't just churn out code to complete assignments, they need to also understand the context, be able to identify made up problems, be able to design the most minimal solution covering the business needs etc. That requires understanding, certain alignment, communication.

[giantg2]

They might say that they don't want code monkeys, but their actions say otherwise. That's my experience anyways.

[JohnFen]

I don't see anyone arguing that communication isn't a critical part of working.

> And that's mostly what you get with this attitude that doesn't value any meetings / communication which doesn't relate directly to one's work.

But all the things you've listed in the following paragraph are totally communications that relate directly to one's work. What is the case that unrelated communications are also essential?

[joxel]

Makes sense. I'd just be trying to get out of a job like that, and don't see how that's desirable at all. You seem to think its the better way though.

[giantg2]

I never said it was the better way. It's simply reality, at least for most jobs (larger non-tech companies).

[joxel]

I hope you find a better job man!

[giantg2]

Thanks, but I won't. I'm stuck and I suck. Just have to wait it out another 19 or so years.

[whynaut]

My career has advanced just fine over Slack and Zoom.