[anamax]

As always, what if I don't pay?

In Madoff's case, at least some of the money is off short and some is hidden.

[learc83]

If you're willfully disobeying a court order the judge can hold you in contempt and you'll serve jail time that way.

[lachyg]

Then you go to jail, simple.

[anamax]

So, you think that folks who commit fraud shouldn't go to jail, presumably because "Oh god no, definitely not. Monetary damages, yes. Prison sentences for a non-violent crime, definitely not." (from the parent), but disobeying a judge deserves jail.

What's violent about disobeying a judge?

[lachyg]

It's not that it's violent, it's that you've been given an option that you've decided not to take, and then it escalates.

[anamax]

Yes, but selling drugs after you've been told not to is also an escalation. Are you willing to jail folks on all escalations, all judges orders, or what?

In any event, we've established that the line isn't (just) violent.

[lachyg]

I guess, honestly, it all comes down to the type of crime and then the specifics of it. But what I'm saying is that I don't think first offense streaming websites deserve jail time.

[anamax]

Why didn't you say that at the beginning? (Yes, I'm interested in the answer.)