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> mostly because HomeAssistant stuff is nowhere near consumer-ready

I don't think that's quite accurate, normal people probably won't be able to set up complex automations, but having used Control4 and HomeAssistant's configuration tools, both are somewhat equivalent in difficulty, with C4 having a slight edge because there's a lot of hardware vendors who deeply integrate with it. A lot of the families I've done home automation for would have been able to consume HomeAssistant without any issues. There was one person who had a high end setup involving whole home video involving matrix switches that I am hesitant to make that claim for.

Important to know that most "normies" that consume home automation have a tech representative who deals with their setup.

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It's not quite there yet, but with all in one devices they are creating - they're trying to make it a little easier. It's significantly better than when I first tried it like 6 years ago, and got a SmartThings hub because I needed something more stable for wife approval.

I've run into, twice in the past year, some kind of update or config change (that says valid) that made the UI inaccessible and had to quickly spin up a new VM and restore my backup.

E: many people will be better served by Alexa/Google/Apple hubs with matter integration that support everything with a polished Ui. Those with super techy inclinations - or propensities towards tinkering will want something like HA

[MattDemers]

>Important to know that most "normies" that consume home automation have a tech representative who deals with their setup.

I wouldn't have assumed that; I was more thinking the "got some Hue bulbs for Christmas and someone pointed them to HA" kind of thing. Thanks for pointing it out.