[AlotOfReading]

Not a good look to strawman things like this when you have sibling comments elsewhere in this thread saying the discussion needs more nuance.

I actually did napkin math awhile back comparing a particular 16th century indigenous agricultural yields with 20th century American agriculture [0]. The indigenous system came out favorably until the second half of the 20th century despite the limitations of hand tools and natural fertilizer. There's still a gap between that and current yields, but I think it's fair to point out that most advocates of these systems are actually arguing for a synthesis with modern technologies that allow them to scale rather than a complete rejection of modernity.

[0] https://reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/l4do8a/aztec_cor...

[kortilla]

It’s not a strawman and there isn’t much nuance to what you yourself said. It’s not even close to being adequate.

Claiming that people are arguing for “synthesis” is just a weasel word escape route. Indigenous farming is completely inadequate and the parts that are useful have already been incorporated into modern farming.

What is it you think is still on the table for this “synthesis”?

[AlotOfReading]

Are you familiar with how traditional agricultural systems tend to work? They're vastly different than modern industrial agriculture in my personal experience. You won't find average farms in Central Valley or the midwest doing intercropping (especially anything besides strip intercropping), hyperlocal heirloom varieties, terracing, and complex crop rotations.

Tractors don't like intercropping or terraces, complex rotations are logistically difficult and expensive without a meaningful market to back them. Distributors also don't want your optimized hyperlocal varietals nor do farmers want to manage seed production, so most people buy commercial varieties.

You don't need to explain why these things are true because I already get it. It's beside the point here.

[kortilla]

> Are you familiar with how traditional agricultural systems tend to work?

Yes, they produced terrible yields that would starve the current population.

There is a reason farmers’ markets are for the upper middle class. Anything that isn’t done at scale can’t feed 8 billion people. If it can’t be done with combines/tractors/etc, it’s fucking useless.