[runarberg]

Do you know anybody that wants to be attracted to another person and is unable to?

I know people have some conditions (such as psychopathy) where they don’t form attraction towards other people, I also know there are people that do form attractions but have a hard time expressing it (such as in autism), however I don’t know of any condition or neuro-diversity which wants to form attractions, but is unable to, that would be like a psychopath that still show empathy (which is kind of a contradiction).

But if these people exist, they are still human. I merely said that humans have this capability, not that it was a necessary condition for human individuals.

[sinity]

I meant that other people aren't attracted to them.

You've claimed that it's weird that these men go to these lengths to find partners, because it's supposed to be just natural for them to find them.

It's clearly not.

[runarberg]

I see what you mean. I have no opinion on that, as that doesn’t really matter for the subject at hand.

My main point is that if you go about living a normal live, attend social functions, or just see other people on a regular basis, most people will be attracted to some of the people they meet along the way. What I’m getting at, is there is no skill nor effort needed, nothing needs to be carefully evaluated and planned. These attractions just arise naturally for most people. So altering your life course to maximize some chances of attraction, that is weird.

[Tozen]

Comes off like a rich person ignoring and walking over poor homeless people begging for food. Then when asked about it, has no understanding for how such circumstances could occur nor empathy. This would be willful obliviousness or tone deafness about the circumstances and plight of others.

> ...go about living a normal live, attend social functions, or just see other people on a regular basis, most people will be attracted to some of the people they meet along the way.

It is more of a feminine perspective and privilege to wait and hope random luck will take care of romantic matters, because mostly, males pursue females. Many women are able to get attention, as a matter of biology. Ignorance or purposely ignoring the mechanics of what is occurring in the background, with regard to why this attention exists and how it shapes the dynamics, can lead to distorted and misplaced views.

Furthermore there are clearly great numbers of people (male and female) that are shy, fear rejection or embarrassment, are socially awkward, or at some disadvantage in social settings. To pretend otherwise, seems to be making a concerted effort to remain oblivious.

> What I’m getting at, is there is no skill nor effort needed, nothing needs to be carefully evaluated and planned.

That is not a perspective many others share and when people are specifically and repeatedly saying this is not the case, it's not helpful to blatantly ignore them. For various people, and more so for men, they do need various levels of knowledge, skill, effort, and/or planning.

[runarberg]

Perhaps you are right, however people that are shy and awkward in a natural setting, won’t they also be shy and awkward in a setting which they have manipulated in their favor? I have my doubts about the success rate of these efforts compared to no-effort.

You are right, I might be the one who is tone deaf here, but I still get a strange vibe from people that do this kind of thing, and personally I think I would feel uncomfortable around them.