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You think the goalposts have been "moved" because you've misinterpreted the context of this discussion.

The original post we are all commenting on is an introduction to some basic concepts of Japanese, aimed at programmers.

After learning several languages to a basic conversational level, Japanese was by far the most logical, simple, and had the least "gotcha's" or exceptions. On the whole it was a breath of fresh air compared to others.

My comments regarding the relative ease Japanese can be learned to a basic, useful level versus same attempted in other languages stand. Attempts to reframe them as regarding a level of complete mastery won't alter that.