[caskstrength]

> There are many physical traits that women prefer but they're less shallow than us men.

> Confidence and the ability to talk are huge. You're social status among your peer group. How well you dress. Do you look after yourself physically. All of these things can be developed.

So, "fit smooth-talking alpha guy"? I'm not sure I agree with it, but your description seems _very_ shallow TBH.

[xupybd]

I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from.

What traits, that are found attractive, would you describe as less shallow?

[caskstrength]

> What traits, that are found attractive, would you describe as less shallow?

You got it backwards - my point was that your description of "many physical traits that women prefer but they're less shallow than us men" is as shallow as "hot lustful babe with big tits" or some other stereotypical horny teenager's dream partner that you probably meant by "shallow".

Also, you know that "gender X is less shallow than Y" is sexist statement, right?

[xupybd]

I say less shallow as they are personality traits not purely physical. I'm interested in knowing what you would consider less shallow. Unless your point is that attraction is shallow. That I could see.

>Also, you know that "gender X is less shallow than Y" is sexist statement, right?

I strongly disagree. It's like saying women on average prefer people and men on average prefer things. It's not a judgment just an observation.

[caskstrength]

> I say less shallow as they are personality traits not purely physical.

Majority of things you mentioned are not personality traits.

> Unless your point is that attraction is shallow. That I could see.

Yes, obviously.

> It's like saying women on average prefer people and men on average prefer things. It's not a judgment just an observation.

Your anecdotes are not statistics.

[xupybd]

> Majority of things you mentioned are not personality traits.

Here are the things I listed:

    Confidence and the ability to talk are huge
    You're social status among your peer group. 
    How well you dress. 
    Do you look after yourself physically.

Lets break them down.

"Confidence and the ability to talk" is absolutely a personality trait.

"You're social status among your peer group" this happens as a result of your personality. If you are a jerk you will not be well liked and will not have very good standing amongst your peers.

"How well you dress" this is an external reflection of who you are. Do you put effort into picking clothing that fits and looks good. This has a massive impact of how other people perceive you. It's the first insight someone gets into your personality. Does this person care enough to put effort into their external appearance. Do they value the perception others have of them.

"Do you look after yourself physically" women and men are looking for life partners. Often people to have a family with. If you want to stick around for long enough to do these things you're going to have to maintain some level of a healthy lifestyle. That desire to maintain health is a personality trait. It doesn't need to be that you spend 2 hours in the gym each day. Just that you haven't let yourself go to the point that you need a mobility scooter and a cpap machine.

> Your anecdotes are not statistics.

Sure if you'd like data please refer to these papers.

Sex differences in sexual attraction for aesthetics, resources and personality across age https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8133465/

Men and Things, Women and People: A Meta-Analysis of Sex Differences in Interests

https://sci-hub.ru/10.1037/a0017364

[caskstrength]

> Lets break them down...

This is quite a reach. Sorry, I'm not going to argue any longer why "has a six pack" or "dresses nicely" are not a personality traits.

> Sure if you'd like data please refer to these papers.

Thanks for the links.