[catmiral]

Bandera was jailed by Nazi for almost the whole duration of the war (1941-1945). His brother was murdered in German stalag. It doesn't look like collaboration with Nazi.

Soviet Union and Germany attacked Poland together (and started WWII). It's cooperation with Nazi.

If we look at the argument often used by Russians, that X is Nazi because he collaborated with Nazi, and then apply it to Soviet Union instead of Bandera, then Russians found thousands of arguments why this is not true.

[ghostwriter]

> Bandera was jailed by Nazi for almost the whole duration of the war

Let's not pretend that Bandera had to make his own hands dirty to make it count. I'll just leave it here:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Lebed

[skissane]

Bandera’s organisation committed war crimes and genocide while Bandera himself was imprisoned by the Nazis, due to his refusal to obey their demands. Was Bandera personally aware of and responsible for what his organisation did while he was not able to be directly in charge of it? I doubt that question is as easy to answer was you seem to think it is.

[unpopdontcare]

When somebody sacrifices their lives to protect their fellow countrymen, they deserve respect, no matter how awful their hearts are. Those people sacrificed their lives and didn't give a crap what you thought about them. They died saving their wives, their mothers, their children, and their fellow countrymen who they didn't even agree with.

vladolf putler has murdered at least 250,000 Ukrainians now. If you think the this is good, let's get together for coffee and discuss it. I will use on you the persuasive technique that Wagner uses on my people.

[ghostwriter]

> Those people sacrificed their lives and didn't give a crap what you thought about them.

You're not elected to represent any of those people, you're only speaking for yourself.

> They died saving their wives, their mothers, their children, and their fellow countrymen who they didn't even agree with. vladolf putler has murdered at least 250,000 Ukrainians now.

Ukraine closed its borders for the entire 18+ male population of the country in the early months of the war. These people have been deprived from their natural right to make their own decisions affecting their lives. Some of these people might be willing to leave the country with their families, but they got separated on the border by the state ruling. The decisions are now being made for them under a pretense of territorial preservation, similarly to the authoritative dictate of their enemy. The goals might be different, but the means are exactly the same. The territory has no use for the people died on it, these 250k Ukrainians will never be able to experience a joy of living on it either. And if you're among those who say that the goals of the current Ukrainian government justify the means it imposes on its population, I suggest that you prove that in trenches of Bakhmut rather than in the comment sections of HN.

> If you think the this is good, let's get together for coffee and discuss it. I will use on you the persuasive technique that Wagner uses on my people.

You should talk to Wagner directly if you find their methods adequate during a coffee break, they made their feedback contacts public long time ago.

[ghostwriter]

> I doubt that question is as easy to answer was you seem to think it is.

The answer is actually an easy one: yes he was personally responsible for the movement he started and he was personally responsible for his organisation's deeds. Nazis imprisoned many other Nazis on a regular basis during the regime rule. Being imprisoned by the Nazis doesn't automatically nullify the convictions and aspirations of the imprisoned.

[skissane]

> The answer is actually an easy one: yes he was personally responsible for the movement he started and he was personally responsible for his organisation's deeds.

Why assume that a person who founds an organisation is responsible for what it does when they are effectively no longer in control of it? We don’t make that automatic assumption in other areas - the founder of a company is not responsible for what the new CEO does after they retire.