[triceratops]

Rome wasn't part of the HRE for a large part of its existence. The emperor was considered the continuation of the old Roman emperors, and was "holy" because the Pope crowned him.

I'm not an expert on Italian geography or anything but I think of Rome as the beginning of southern Italy. Milan and Turin are the major cities I associate with north Italy.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_in_the_Holy_Rom...

[rob74]

Most Romans would probably frown at you for debating whether Rome is in northern or southern Italy. Rome is at the center of the world, or failing that, at least at the center of Italy!

[triceratops]

Ok so then it's definitely not Northern Italy :-)