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by kosherhurricane 1231 days ago
> I guess the bigger question that I often have is why the rush to completely rule out vaccines?

Because antivaxxers don't want to have a nuanced discussion of pro and cons of any vaccine. This iteration is "mRNA is new so it's bad". But it's always been the same and ends with "vaccine is bad" for them. It's not possible to bring a reasonable discussion to someone who will happily throw out reason to accept their own preconceived conclusions.

> In my own case, I had significant cardiovascular issues at a relatively young age, 1 week after I got my booster.

Even before the vaccine, it was clear that covid triggers cardio events in some people, even young. Even three years in, it's not clear why that is. So it's plausible that a vaccine's spike protine could trigger an event, above the background level. The question then is, does the vaccine trigger cardio events at a higher or lower rate than getting covid?

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> Because antivaxxers don't want to have a nuanced discussion of pro and cons of any vaccine. This iteration is "mRNA is new so it's bad". But it's always been the same and ends with "vaccine is bad" for them. It's not possible to bring a reasonable discussion to someone who will happily throw out reason to accept their own preconceived conclusions.

This is a common viewpoint of someone who hasn't actually seen their arguments.

It started off as a more generic "we've never successfully made a vaccine against coronaviruses before, this needs more testing to be sure we don't have the same problems as those old attempts".

Then they started noticing patterns no one else was willing to address, like in 2021 countries kept having massive covid waves after reaching high vaccination rates. It was obvious they weren't doing what they were sold on, yet this never got addressed. Instead they were just called "anti-vaxxers" and ignored.

Around the same time they noticed the spike in myocarditis in young men, and only now, over a year later, are people talking about it.

They refer to research and public numbers, they use archive sites to keep things available from official websites that get deleted, and yet are constantly dismissed as "anti-vax" when they have evidence no one wants to look at and actually try to debunk. They just get ignored through ad-hominims instead.

> 2021 countries kept having massive covid waves after reaching high vaccination rates.

This happened in low vaccination rate countries like Russia, South Africa, etc. So probably not due to vaccination.

> Around the same time they noticed the spike in myocarditis in young men

This was noticed with people catching covid pre-vaccines.

> they use archive sites to keep things available from official websites that get deleted,

I've seen those sites. They said "hydroxychloroquine data was being suppressed". Then they switched to "ivermectin data was being suppressed". And at the same time they were against "mandatory masking". They've always been against vaccines, mitigation, shutdowns, masks.

Basically, they were all for letting the disease run rampant.

> when they have evidence no one wants to look at ... they just get ignored through ad-hominims instead.

UFO guys have been saying the exactly the same thing for 50 years. Lol.

Aaaand that's an example of exactly what I'm talking about. Ignore half my statement to argue against something unrelated and pretend you refuted it, jump to preconceptions without knowing what I was referring to, and deflect by trying to associate my comment with crazy people.

Would you like to try again?