[spamuel]

The rule says books that are pornographic. This became an issue because teachers began putting books like "Genderqueer" in school libraries and classrooms, featuring explicit illustrations of apparently children engaging in things like fellatio on a dildo, anal sex with a strap-on, etc.

This isn't about Romeo and Juliet. Do you have a better way to describe those kinds of books? Or do you support having "Genderqueer" in elementary school libraries?

[xrd]

I'm triggered by what you say here.

First, this is the most extreme example on that list. Lots of other literature is on there, do you support banning all of it, and jailing teachers that don't prevent a kid from reading it, because that is the real question.

Second, you say apparently, so it sounds like you haven't read it. Perhaps you don't want to, but have you talked to someone who actually has?

I've not read it, but I'm going to buy it. I went to the web page and saw the intention, which is to teach young adults (late teenagers) healthy sexual habits. If this book isn't provided to them, those kids are going to get it from alternative sources on the Internet. I mean porn. I don't mean to be "binary" (I'm happy with that pun) but it really is a choice between those two things.

By the way, that book isn't directed towards children as you assert. It's on the web site and clearly intended for young adults. Big difference.

When I read the book, interested in hearing my review?

[sagarm]

> the intention, which is to teach young adults (late teenagers) healthy sexual habits

Religious and conservative groups have been trying to cancel sex ed pretty consistently, so I suppose the opposition to this book is not surprising.

[spamuel]

Why is it being placed in elementary schools?

[xrd]

I'm genuinely interested in the answer to this. It is definitely found in an elementary school? I can see that it is on the banned list, but are you sure this book was actually found in an elementary school? Someone in a position of authority then needed to specifically order it, and that would be a dereliction of their duties if they did so, and that would prove the "grooming" assertion.

Is there documented proof that this was in an elementary school?

This feels like an important question. If it isn't found in elementary schools, then there simply is not a teacher or librarian out there attempting to put books in front of elementary kids. And, then this whole argument seems like virtue signaling for political gain.

[spamuel]

Did you Google it yet? This isn't an obscure issue.

[xrd]

Here is what I found:

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/education/2022-05-29/florida-d...

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2021/11/19/pinellas-...

Neither of these links say elementary school. One explicitly says high school.

I'm genuinely interested, is there an elementary school which had this book available for kids?

[spamuel]

I've read it.

If it's not for children, why is it in school libraries? The problem is not that it exists. The problem is that it is being put in school libraries. If you read it you will likely see why. It literally has graphical depictions of children engaging in what would be considered hardcore pornography in any other context.

I can self-describe liquor as a "natural sleep aid for young adults", that doesn't change the fact that it is liquor and has no place in a high school vending machine.

[xrd]

I lived in Japan. They had vending machines that sell liquor and they trust kids not to buy it. It's not a perfect solution.

If a six year old kid walked up to check out that book, wouldn't the librarian stop them? I think the answer to that question speaks to whether you believe in "grooming" or not.

You really feel like this is hardcore pornography? The images I saw didn't suggest that at all. There are people that engage in sex like that, I'm sure you know. Do you feel like it is morally wrong to have sex like that which is described and is that why you are saying it is hardcore pornography?

I'll need reserving judgement on whether these are pictures of children engaging in sex. I would be very surprised if that's what is depicted. You are sure of that?

[xibo9]

You repeatedly state these things as fact, and you provide zero evidence ANYWHERE in this discussion.

Are you simply here to divide and generate ragebait, or are you here to engage in serious discussion?