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by s1artibartfast 1243 days ago
To be fair, I did say comparable background, which can include education. There easily is enough immigrants, even poor uneducated ones lacrosse decades to make this comparison.

From what I read, poor and average immigrants do great, even African ones. Even more so, the first generation born in the US.

My greater point doesn't negate the impact of past treatment. If anything, it's strongly supports it. What I think it adds to the conversation is the idea that the challenge is very different than overly simplistic model of skin color discrimination which most people around usually try to reduce everything to.

Miss attribution of the root cause leads to ineffective Solutions.

I agree that historic impacts can be scoped into the definition of systemic racism, but that doesn't mean that other tenants of systemic racism are not overstated or incorrect.

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I doubt matching for education matches for potential. An American who drops out of highschool is not the same as a malnourished African who never had the chance
I think that is exactly what you would want such a study to detect, not something that you would be trying to control for.

It is a matter of what the hypothesis being tested is. If your hypothesis is that racial inequality is due to ongoing discrimination on the basis of skin color, finding that the cause is a difference in potential undermines that hypothesis.

If the difference in outcome is due to different potentials, not skin color, you can ask why are the potentials different.

I think this is the interesting and most relevant question.

Why are outcomes so different for a black person born dirt poor in the US with immigrant parents compared to a black person born dirt poor with slave ancestors?

This Cuts directly to the heart of why racial inequality is so persistent in the United States.