[thelopa]

Back in the day I beat MGS2 and MGS3 on Extreme. The box shouldn’t be your plan for sneaking past any guards. It’s for situations where you are caught out without any cover and you need to hide. Pop in to it right as they are about to round the corner. Pop out and move on once they are out of sight. The box is a crutch. You can really abuse it in MGS1, but it’s usually easier and faster to just run around the guards.

[bschwindHN]

Your mention of "Extreme" reminded me there's a "European Extreme" difficulty level, I only made it halfway through MGS3 on that (attempting no kills at the same time)

The only strategy that somewhat worked for me was perfect accuracy tranquilizer shots, to knock them out instantly. That's probably the hardest game mode I've ever played.

[thelopa]

I also completed MGS3 on euro extreme, and was about an hour from the end of MGS2 on euro extreme (the action sequence right before the MG Ray fight). I was playing the PC port, and let me tell you: aiming the automatic weapons without pressure sensitive buttons is nearly impossible. I gave up eventually and decided that my prior run on Extreme had earned me enough gamer cred. Finishing euro extreme wasn’t worth it.

On the other hand, I loved MGS3 on euro extreme! It really required mastering every trick in the game. Every little advantage you could squeeze into a boss fight was essential. Escape from Groznygrad was hell, though. By far the single hardest part of the game.

[airstrike]

> That's probably the hardest game mode I've ever played.

Halo 2 on Legendary difficulty was ludicrously hard too

[xeromal]

Those old vidmaster challenges. woof

[epolanski]

Oh, the tons of hours spent lying immobile in grass in that game attempting the same..

[matheusmoreira]

Spending hours crawling around in grass only to get spotted, and then there's this guy:

https://youtu.be/t4e7ibdS7xU

[thelopa]

Oh the tons of hours waiting for menus to load to swap your camouflage pattern after crawling onto slightly different terrain…