[sn9]

More is more and less is less.

If this wasn't the case, you'd have discovered a solution to famine.

And gastric bypasses are one of the most effective interventions available for people with such disorderd eating that lifestyle changes can't stick.

[FatActor]

Again, black and white thinking doesn't solve the problem. It just alienates people, and sometimes worse.

[sn9]

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

It is an objective fact that caloric surpluses and deficits are fundamental to manipulating bodyweight.

Any solution will be about getting people to maintain a surplus or deficit long enough to reach their goal weight.

There are many ways to communicate that to people, but pretending or trying to convince others that it isn't true is factually incorrect and literally counter-productive to their goals.

[FatActor]

You keep saying less is less more is more. That's a truism which is completely orthogonal to the point, yet you seem to be hung up on it to the exclusion of everything else every other commenter has said to you. Consider that just for a moment.

[hungryforcodes]

No its not. CICO, it's that simple. I'll get down voted by the fanatics that say it's more complicated, but it's not. Eat less and exercise more and you will loose weight. A gastric bypass is just a extreme form of this. You cannot avoid the laws of physics.

[FatActor]

There's a reason your being down-voted, and its not a hive mind, or a conspiracy, or a personal grudge against you. That's simply what it is like to be "wrong". Saying what you said is just playing the victim card.

[hungryforcodes]

I'm not a victim don't worry. I have no interest in being right -- though that you think I'm playing a victim card plays into all the people that deny CICO.

But it's ok. I loose weight by exercising and eating less. Like the climate change denialists, you can lead people down the dark path if you like.

Me I'll stick with me 3kg loss of weight every month and celebrate.

[sn9]

It's because people are talking about all sorts of irrelevant stuff that has no effect on what one has to do to manipulate their weight.

It's missing the forest for the chlorophyll.