[brazed_blotch]

On the other hand, being constantly ostracised from public spaces isn’t great either… something I find infuriating when I travel abroad. If there were at least a few smoking bars where you don’t have to go out into the cold to smoke I think that would be nice.

[burnished]

Eugh, god, no. It isnt ostracism if you are being asked to go outside because you want to light something on fire.

That being said you arent alone in this desire. The work around appears to be clubs with a membership fee and volunteer bartenders (at least where I live). If its something that pops up for you frequently then it might be worthwhile to pursue.

[lelanthran]

> On the other hand, being constantly ostracised from public spaces isn’t great either… something I find infuriating when I travel abroad. If there were at least a few smoking bars where you don’t have to go out into the cold to smoke I think that would be nice.

I'm a smoker, and I absolutely don't want smoking allowed in public indoor places, and some outdoor public places as well. I don't smoke indoors even in my own home.

On the other hand, when I duck down an empty alley and light up, I'm going to be annoyed if someone walking on the main road comes in to complain about how my second-hand smoke is going to give them cancer.

Too many times I have had people go out of their way to inhale my second hand smoke, and then complain about it.

[leokennis]

> Too many times I have had people go out of their way to inhale my second hand smoke, and then complain about it.

Too many times I have had people go out of their way to walk in front of my 3 ton truck driving 100 mph in a pedestrian zone to almost get hit, and then complain about it.

[wholinator2]

What great hyperbole. This is possibly the strongest hyperbole in the _history of the universe!_

[lelanthran]

> Too many times I have had people go out of their way to walk in front of my 3 ton truck driving 100 mph in a pedestrian zone to almost get hit, and then complain about it.

Maybe you shouldn't be doing 100mph around other people.

[leokennis]

Sure, if you stop smoking around other people ;-)

[lelanthran]

> Sure, if you stop smoking around other people ;-)

Maybe english is not your first language, but you did read what I wrote, right? You did read my post saying that I get annoyed at people who go up to lone smokers and then complain?

You know what that means, right? It literally means "I don't smoke around other people!"

I'm afraid I am unable to simplify it any further.

[leokennis]

My point is if you are the user/owner of a device capable of killing (huge car, cigarettes) there’s a big responsibility on you to prevent harm on others.

There’s always a grey area, but generally I’d say in a public space it’s the smoker who should actively move to avoid non-smokers.

[nkrisc]

If you’re allowed to smoke in the bar then I’m allowed to bring my bucket of rotten fish.

All health issues aside, it’s just disgusting. It smells awful, it makes everything else smell awful. I always hate ending up in an elevator with a smoker, it’s nauseating. It truly is a disgusting habit.

[bruce511]

When all bars allowed smoking, all bars were the same. Then there came a govt ban on smoking in bars. So all bars are the same. (they all wailed loudly, but because it applied equally clientele had nowhere else to go.)

As a non smoker there are now options to go out I never had before. Restaurants are now safe again. (well except for parents who think it's OK for a child to be on a phone playing games at full audio volume, but we'll save that rant for another day.)