[billylindeman]

When the electrical grid begins to collapse under the weight of "migrating to EV," people will be quite happy these legacy companies didn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

There are massive needs that ICE is still servicing, and will continue to service for many decades to come.

[Brian_K_White]

And electric heat and cooking. This thing lately with trying to ban gas stoves everywhere does not seem realistic. There is a reason everything wasn't done with electricity shortly after it was invented in the first place. It takes an absurd amount of capacity to duplicate the energy delivery of hydrocarbons with electricity. Does that much copper even exist?

'will be banned by 20xx' there will surely be attempts but no way it will actually work.

[midoridensha]

Banning gas stoves is entirely realistic; Americans have been using electric stoves for many, many decades. Gas stoves were only popular with some because the old 50s-style calrod stoves just sucked, for many reasons, but even back then the electric grid had no problem with them. Modern glass-top induction stoves are far superior to gas cooking in every way. The amount of energy needed for electric stoves is really quite tiny, and very short-term too; it's nothing like that needed for EV charging.

[bdcravens]

"Smart phones will never succeed. The cellular networks will collapse under the weight of all that data" - someone in 2006

[TheLoafOfBread]

Last time I checked, my smart phone did not consumed 150kW during quick charging.

[dzhiurgis]

I think we spend way more on air con than ev charging overall. The average of 10kwh per day or so is nothing.

[lm28469]

It's not even remotely close to being the same issue though

[devoutsalsa]

I still use a diesel powered flip phone.

[bdcravens]

Perhaps, but a lot of discussions around EVs seems to focus on the state of technology today, while discussing the impact at some point in the future. The implication that cars and the grid won't improve is disingenuous.

[TheLoafOfBread]

It is just experience. Look at Germany. They are building ONE power line from north to south called SuedLink, they started planning in 2013 and operation should start in 2026. Maybe.

So it is completely correct to take current state of the network and consider it virtually unchanged for decades to come.

[orwin]

If "Many decades" is two to three, probably yes, else i don't think so. Oil EROI is declining faster than ever. New oil wells have shorter and shorter lives. Russia's aggression is just moving the timetable two or three years ahead of time.