[bamboozled]

You seem to be triggered, why?

Because I wish it worked as good as you said it did so I wasn't working right now.

On the other hand, you're the first person I know of who has actually been replaced by an AI (although you don't know it yet) :) Because the second the large corp you work for realizes they can just type the inputs into ChatGPT instead of you, you're contract will be dissolved.

In fact, it sounds like you're being disingenuous charging them for work when in fact they could just be paying OpenAI? What value are you adding ?

[tluyben2]

> you're the first person I know of who has actually been replaced by an AI (although you don't know it yet)

I think there are many; I know I will be, and always known that (my father always told me from when I saw my first computer begin 80s that it will happen some day; as in the 70s/80s they believed it was imminent). I studied AI in the 90s AI winter and didn't think we would get here in my life because of the bleak outlook back then.

I will be replaced as a programmer quite quickly (although there is a lot it cannot do; in the embedded space, it performs horribly for instance; it also cannot find solutions to actual complex problems; most of everyone here is not doing any of that though), but not as a product manager or tech lead. That will eventually happen as well.

> In fact, it sounds like you're being disingenuous charging them for work when in fact they could just be paying OpenAI? What value are you adding ?

Like most clients, they don't know what they want, at all. They have a vague idea and that needs to be translated into a working product. And scale. And be maintainable. Etc etc. That AI cannot do (yet). It'll come, but to code something like 'we want to make a sort of crm mixed with support mixed with uber for outbound sales' and then knowing what to ask and getting that far enough to get to a product that works and adds value is still far off. This thread and article is about coding and I believe that is, for a large part of what people are doing daily now, done.

[bamboozled]

Obviously we're working on very different problems because for 90% of the code I'm working on, I have not been able to use it for any real purpose.

[tluyben2]

What type of work do you do? I use it for web/app stuff; for embedded, proofs, pl r&d etc it doesn’t really work so that’s still manual. That’s just not what I make most money with.

[tluyben2]

> Because I wish it worked as good as you said it did so I wasn't working right now.

It's all in the prompting; I use [0] and a version of [1] with some other tooling to instruct it, add my style and other context in the session and have /chatcommands that add (quite elaborate) prompts to get it to do what I want.

I use different iterations of this playground for many things I do.

[0] https://github.com/transitive-bullshit/chatgpt-api [1] https://github.com/tluyben/chatgpt-playground

[bamboozled]

At what stage does just writing the code (which is getting easier and easier), just become the simpler thing to do?

[solsane]

It’s quite simple. If you’re doing something niche (ie, it would be difficult to find similar examples online), and deals with highly critical code, it’s probably worthwhile to write it yourself, since there’s a high risk for it to produce bugs.

In my experience this was the case for writing a block driver & some other low level software.

It excels and arguably outperforms in some developers in other cases; app development, CRUD, and CS labs it finds on github. There’s still a risk for bugs, but an acceptable level considering the productivity enhancement IMO.

[tluyben2]

It does in some cases, but modern software dev (in larger teams) is generally way too verbose (for my taste). The 'easier to do' you speak off will be heavily AI augmented, so it'll be the same thing. The verbosity; people want clear and descriptive variable names, function names, comments, docs, tests, etc which is a lot of thinking (naming is hard), plumbing, checking, fixing & typing and AI can do it from a few scraps of human text instead so I don't have to type it anymore.

Even if you are better at or find it simpler to write code (which I often do find), that's not true for 99.xxx% of humanity. I jury startups for incubators etc now and then and this month's cohort are often using chatgpt to do the software for their startup by one of the founders who 'did a little bit of coding in uni', but is not very good. The code they produce I would write far faster and better myself without chatgpt/copilot than they do with chatgpt, but I would do it even faster and better with chatgpt/copilot.