[ClumsyPilot]

> collaboration and away from violent domination

Working in an iron foundry or steelworks is more peacefull than quetly living on a farm? There is less conflict between workers than farmers?

What is the basis for this fantasy?

[tristor]

Human history is full of violence, and not all of it is between "betters" and "lessers", it's just people being violent towards one another to get what they want. Post-industrial society established social order and rule of law much more clearly than anything prior. A big piece of this was due to compulsory and inclusive education, but many other factors including the rise of enterprises which required social interactions to reach personal success changed society to a structure where collaboration was rewarded much more so than violence, which was punished.

This was not the case prior to industrialization. You have some idyllic pastoral fantasy in mind, which was not true.

[ClumsyPilot]

> enterprises required social interactions to reach personal success changed society to a structure where collaboration was rewarded much more so than violence, which was punished.

One big hole in your argument - mexican cartels. Modern industrial society, loads of collaboration inside the cartel, very violent people achieve massive success. I am confident that life of a medieval farmer was far less violent that living with a violent cartel.

Can you actually bring any empirical evidence that victorian-age factory life was more peaceful than agrarian life 100 years prior? I think you are engaging in self-delusion, or comparing today to 500 years ago - which is unfair

[unity1001]

> very violent people achieve massive success

Indeed. Also missing from the picture is the violence inherent in the system - the majority shareholders, ceos and execs of healthcare corporations that deny people treatment if they cant pay are inflicting much more violence than the tyrants of the past - its systemic, all-encompassing without any discrimination as to its target. But because the violent part is outsourced to the state's police to kick out and keep out those who cant pay, its magically 'not violent'. Whereas its possibly the worst systemic violence that ever invented in human history.