[ubermonkey]

It staggers me that this is still a problem, because *more than 20 years ago* I switched from Win98 on a ThinkPad to a G3 Powerbook partly because of sleep.

I was working almost exclusively in Office docs back then, and the Mac and Win suites were (then as now) file-format compatible. What coding I did was on *nix servers I could SSH to. And I got real, real tired of often-crashing, slow-booting, sleep-sucks Win98 on a laptop.

Then I noticed a colleague who'd come into the consulting group from the design side, and kept his Mac. He could just open it, do something, and close it. And then open it again, and have it wake up normally. It crashed marginally less often than Win98 (this is pre-OS X), but the boot time was MUCH faster, so the crashes were less annoying. I bought a Mac and have been here ever since.

And you're telling me that even today, in the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand Twenty Three, that sleep still doesn't work for shit on big-name Windows laptops? That's bananas.

[justsomehnguy]

Macs have 20 different supported hardware configurations at any current time.

There are bazillion of configurations for Windows compatible laptops.

I had both perfect and awful experience with hardware part of them. Never I misattributed the problems with the hardware to the OS.

[ubermonkey]

>Macs have 20 different supported hardware configurations at any current time.

>There are bazillion of configurations for Windows compatible laptops.

Your point?

[justsomehnguy]

it's easier to make work S3 on 20 configuration than on 20000.

Yes, MS, Dell, HP sucks dicjs not making it work even on a flagship notebook, but that doesn't means what there are no Windows laptops with a working sleep, it just means what you don't hear from the millions the users of thousands of working configurations... and what HP/Dell/MS just suck in the hardware department.

NB there were hundreds of laptops from HP/Dell/Asus/Acer what worked just fine. You just never heard complaints about them, because there were none.

[ubermonkey]

All I know is that sleep eventually fails to work on every Wintel laptop I've ever touched, from the mid-1990s until today. Dell, IBM, Lenovo, HP, you name it.

I think it goes back to the unity of control Apple enjoys. Doesn't mean it CAN'T work for Windows, but the vendors would have to work harder to cooperate, and they clearly can't be arsed to do so.