[NullInvictus]

At a previous company I had a chance to sit down and talk with python developers across a number of groups, and a fun question was asked: Imagine Python 4 is another large breaking change on the scale of 2 to 3. What feature makes it worth it to you?

The most common and enthusiastic answer was: Packaging and distribution.

I think to say that "large numbers of python developers think packaging is bad and should be fixed" undersells the current sentiment. I think there are large numbers of python developers with boots on the ground who are _utterly sick to death_ of the problem and willing to accept drastic measures resulting inconsiderable suffering if just means it means the issue goes away. People are in other words, getting rather desperate and discontent.

Upstream needs to do a little soul searching and come to an understanding that whatever ideological rock they're chained to that is preventing some solution from emerging has a high chance of not being moored in the needs of reality.

[bageljr]

Well who is upstream? Pypa? Python steering council? Python itself won't do much without pypa approval. Pypa won't endorse an existing or new tool that solves most mainstream cases well.