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by vagrantJin 1253 days ago
> What you do with your talents and resources is what counts.

This os the argument made by right wingers. No different from "pull yourself up with your bootstraps" and as a famous US rapper asked "pull ourselves up by the bootstraps? Where the f*ck are the boots?!"

Privilege isnt an issue of individuals, and I will never condone hate aimed at individual for supposed "privilege". But the people - before the word "woke" was plastered as a slogan for upper middle class white kids - have always been complaining that the system is not working to create an equal and fair society. Its selective. Its not in plain sight. To stay "woke" is to notice the subtleties of this new version, evolution of keeping black people as sub-human, incapable and dependent. To be woke ws to see the global order of economies and statecraft is mostly and pretty much exclusively European, the same people who see you as sub-human by holy writ. Thats a hard pill to swallow. You are kidding yourself if you think we can ignore all that and keep it moving.

To make an anology. Its like ocean fish being dumped in a fresh water river. People can sit on the outside and point proudly - "behold. The fish is in the fresh water and not in exposed atmos. Eat. Mate. Lay eggs and be merry." Do ocean fish really want to live as fresh water fish?

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As someone who came from extreme poverty, I don't agree with this take at all.

Yes, some people are in terrible circumstances due to forces beyond their control. But what you're doing is trying to convince everyone men should be treated as if they have a micro-penis because some men DO have a micro-penis.

The better messaging is that if you do NOT have a micro-penis, you have an opportunity for success if you learn decision making skills (yes, the analogy breaks down, but the point is made).

The messaging matters, but what ends up happening is those for whom the messaging is far less important tend to send the wrong signals because they're not the signals that help assuage their guilt for not helping.

> As someone who came from extreme poverty, I don't agree with this take at all.

What you are doing is taking things to a personal level when my point was really about systems, macro. So that an individual need not feel guilt. At least someone who isn't the head of state.

right, you're not actually interested in helping people, that's the point. If you were, your response wouldn't be "you've done it, but that doesn't matter".
Yeah. Probably.
> the system is not working to create an equal and fair society

How can you make our society more equal and more fair? More "equal" makes it sound like fewer disproportionate outcomes by race. I can't think of a way to achieve that goal in a way that is "fair".

The systems in place should not actively work to keep others down, whether its by race, socioeconomoic status, religion etc. What matters is people's potential and capacity to be healthy, productive members of society. It's unlikely to be fair. Thats not really any one individuals fault.