[rsj_hn]

I very much doubt this will happen. Toyota announced it will continue to produce ICE cars, and other major manufacturers will walk back their vague "goals" once the utopian goals are revealed to be impractical. Or perhaps the goals will just keep getting pushed forward and there will be lip service paid to them during the annual Davos conferences.

Several US automakers may not make it, though. They are long past their sell by date anyways, and will probably go out of business after abandoning ICE production.

[toomuchtodo]

Scroll down to the part of my below citation where each jurisdiction is identified with new combustion vehicle sales bans. This forces auto supply chains to reconfigure or die.

Some jurisdictions might walk their bans back, but you only require a critical mass of the total addressable market to stick to it for it to remain effective. “As California goes, so goes the nation.” and all the jazz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehic...

[jefftk]

> you only require a critical mass of the total addressable market to stick to it for it to remain effective.

I think that's backwards. Instead, for it's still to be practical to buy new ICE cars in states where they are legal you just need those states to cover enough population that it's worth it for some manufacturer to keep producing the cars. I would expect that to happen even if we were only talking about 5% of the population living in those states if those states continue to have strong demand for ICE vehicles (and so the remaining manufacturer could sell a lot of whatever they kept producing).

[rsj_hn]

Scroll down to the part where something was actually enacted as opposed to being promised to be enacted long after the legislators leave office. These "plans", "pledges" are about as reliable as carbon net zero promises. It is purely performative. You may not have noticed, but carbon emissions keep going up. As does coal use [https://www.iea.org/news/the-world-s-coal-consumption-is-set...].

But lets have another pledge, it will all be phased out in 2040!

Also, the part about California leading the nation has stopped being true a long time ago. California is an object lesson in government dysfunction, wacky ideas, a crazy, utopian electorate that is disconnected from reality and a shrinking population as people flee to more sane jurisdictions where things actually work. It is by far the most hated state in the nation, and is generally used as a slur.

[toomuchtodo]

California is the world’s fourth largest economy and has 12% of the US population (39 million compared to the 600k folks living in Wyoming). It’ll continue to be an economic powerhouse long after people complaining online about the state are gone. If complaining makes you feel better, do so, but it doesn’t change the facts. It’s certainly not going to hurt California [1].

Edit: I have never lived in California.

[1] https://youtu.be/LlOSdRMSG_k

[rsj_hn]

Nothing hurts some Californians' feelings than the simple fact that the rest of the nation no longer looks to them for guidance.

Yes, California is still big. But it's no longer a leader. The idea "but California did this" is no longer an argument in favor of something. It's often an argument against doing something.

I am sorry if this triggers you, but it's reality.

[mynameisvlad]

Source? Says who? Your opinion is clearly evident, but it’s just that, your opinion.

[rsj_hn]

There are many surveys out there. California generally competes with Illinois and New Jersey as the most hated state and the most dysfunctional state.

For example, https://www.cagrocers.com/california-repeats-worst-run-state...

It has a broad reputation for dysfunction in basically every area. Energy -- it imports 20% of its electricity from the rest of the nation's grid to get around wacky anti-carbon rules for domestically produced energy, and as a result has the highest energy costs in the nation as well as suffering from rolling blackouts. It is the state of constant fires because of forest mismanagement due to a politically influential "don't chop down our precious trees" faction. (California's chronic fires are also blamed on global warming). It has one of the worst education systems and a truly insane educational policy ("we will create 5 million Galois' by eliminating math classes!"). Terrible homeless problem. Terrible crime problem. A shrinking population. Massively dysfunctional housing market. And one of the highest tax burdens. Massive infrastructure problems.

Etc.

It's really hard to think of any area of public policy - from tax policy to education to energy or crime -- and say "Hey, what California is doing is working really well, we should emulate that". Just compare how California stood in areas like test scores, crime, housing affordability, energy prices in 1970 versus 1990 versus today. You see a peak and then a decline followed by collapse.

[b5n]

There are plenty of valid criticisms of CA, but you're clearly suffering from an advanced case of Murdoch brain worms. Please show us on the doll where CA touched you ;)